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#41
Aug 26 2006 04:13pm
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Fri, Aug 25 2006, 10:47am)
Quote (OffByOne @ Wed, Aug 23 2006, 04:16am)
wtf am i doing wrong?

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For example:

(Shield
Base + Holy Shield bonus + Grief bonus) * (1 + Smite %ED bonus + STR
%ED bonus + Fanaticism %ED bonus + off-weapon %ED bonus) = Total damage



so: for shield base i just put 70, cause that was the max, and same for the HS bonus
the sheld base is
22-70
and the HS add is
125-128
i just chose the max, is that right?
(70 + 128 + 396)*(1+510+174+577+NO off-weapon ed)
594 * 1772
=1,052,568 WTF?

whats wrong? rofl


your problem is simple

I bolded the numbers you messed up on

those should be decimals, not the actual % numbers you see.

100% is not treated as 100, it's treated as 1.0

hope that clears this up.


awesome, exactly what i needed
tyvm thumbs.gif
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#42
Aug 26 2006 04:16pm
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 10:10pm)
Quote (Camden @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 05:46pm)
Quote (EvilTrinity @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 04:33pm)
I have one question: does range really work with smite????



You are hitting with a shield, how could the weap give you better range when you hit with the Shield???


Yes, it does.

As for your other question, ask bliz ~.~


I'm
gonna guess it's because the weapon is a sort of balance when the
paladin steps forward to smite, an anchor of sorts to keep him from
losing his balance when thrusting a shield forward. somehow this must
have inspired the weapon range to act for smite


oh, and you forgot about my question jai, which has actually branched off into two ~.~

1) what is the number for 6 frame smite ias wise? somewhere in the range of -60 to -80 I'll guess
2) fana works how exactly ias wise? I noticed someone say before that the number doesn't get stacked with other items, but instead actually increases the speed kind of like increasing mana or life (the number you have for ias is multiplied by 1.xx where xx indicates the ias% from fana) I am getting confused on this, as I realize I was oversimplifying it -.-
OR was I right in that the ias from fana just stacks with weapon base speed, non-weapon items' ias, etc.? ohmy.gif
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#43
Aug 26 2006 04:25pm
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 04:16pm)
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 10:10pm)
Quote (Camden @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 05:46pm)
Quote (EvilTrinity @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 04:33pm)
I have one question: does range really work with smite????



You are hitting with a shield, how could the weap give you better range when you hit with the Shield???


Yes, it does.

As for your other question, ask bliz ~.~


I'm
gonna guess it's because the weapon is a sort of balance when the
paladin steps forward to smite, an anchor of sorts to keep him from
losing his balance when thrusting a shield forward. somehow this must
have inspired the weapon range to act for smite


oh, and you forgot about my question jai, which has actually branched off into two ~.~

1) what is the number for 6 frame smite ias wise? somewhere in the range of -60 to -80 I'll guess
2) fana works how exactly ias wise? I noticed someone say before that the number doesn't get stacked with other items, but instead actually increases the speed kind of like increasing mana or life (the number you have for ias is multiplied by 1.xx where xx indicates the ias% from fana) I am getting confused on this, as I realize I was oversimplifying it -.-
OR was I right in that the ias from fana just stacks with weapon base speed, non-weapon items' ias, etc.? ohmy.gif


i think im answering this right
but, with a zerk u need 50% ias to get the 6 fps, with lvl 27+ fana

and fana adds
attack speed %
not
increased attack speed, so it doesnt stack
just adds speed%
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#44
Aug 26 2006 04:34pm
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 10:16pm)
Quote (Avar[ice] @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 10:10pm)
Quote (Camden @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 05:46pm)
Quote (EvilTrinity @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 04:33pm)
I have one question: does range really work with smite????



You are hitting with a shield, how could the weap give you better range when you hit with the Shield???


Yes, it does.

As for your other question, ask bliz ~.~


I'm
gonna guess it's because the weapon is a sort of balance when the
paladin steps forward to smite, an anchor of sorts to keep him from
losing his balance when thrusting a shield forward. somehow this must
have inspired the weapon range to act for smite


oh, and you forgot about my question jai, which has actually branched off into two ~.~

1) what is the number for 6 frame smite ias wise? somewhere in the range of -60 to -80 I'll guess
2) fana works how exactly ias wise? I noticed someone say before that the number doesn't get stacked with other items, but instead actually increases the speed kind of like increasing mana or life (the number you have for ias is multiplied by 1.xx where xx indicates the ias% from fana) I am getting confused on this, as I realize I was oversimplifying it -.-
OR was I right in that the ias from fana just stacks with weapon base speed, non-weapon items' ias, etc.? ohmy.gif


O. Sorreh
1) 84 ~.~
2) I've never heard that before.... all +%ias is listed the same so I imagine it IS all the same. Thus added to the rest, rather than "multiplied" to the other ias like battle orders is to life (ask korea on the subject. he's a # cruncher/technical detail guy, i'm not u.u)
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#45
Aug 26 2006 05:28pm
Quote (Camden @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 06:34pm)

O. Sorreh
1) 84 ~.~
2)I've never heard that before.... all +%ias is listed the same so I imagine it IS all the same. Thus added to the rest, rather than "multiplied" to the other ias like battle orders is to life (ask korea on the subject. he's a # cruncher/technical detail guy, i'm not u.u)


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Fanatacism's IAS is applied directly to the weapon's base attack speed, not added to your existing IAS. This means Fanatacism's IAS is much more valuable per percent than +x% Increased Attack Speed items.
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#46
Aug 26 2006 05:36pm
Quote (~Korea~ @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 11:28pm)
Quote (Camden @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 06:34pm)

O. Sorreh
1) 84 ~.~
2)I've
never heard that before.... all +%ias is listed the same so I imagine
it IS all the same. Thus added to the rest, rather than "multiplied" to
the other ias like battle orders is to life (ask korea on the subject. he's a # cruncher/technical detail guy, i'm not u.u)


tongue.gif

Fanatacism's
IAS is applied directly to the weapon's base attack speed, not added to
your existing IAS. This means Fanatacism's IAS is much more valuable
per percent than +x% Increased Attack Speed items.


k, now I'm totally confused.

could you give me an example as to how this works?

in fact, here we go.

40/400 grief berserker axe + 37% fana + 20% added from gear

could you show me exactly how the game calculates this ias? feel free to stray from english as much as you need, math is a strength of mine ^.~
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#47
Aug 26 2006 06:59pm
I don't have the time (well, really the patience...) to determine the formula. This would take a lot of testing for me to arrive at an accurate formula.

I would suggest looking at the following page, as it appears to be accurate when determining IAS breakpoints with Fanatacism:
http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
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#48
Aug 26 2006 08:09pm
6 frame Smite is the fastest possible

whats the ias percent for this?

This post was edited by PlatinumKid on Aug 26 2006 08:09pm
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#49
Aug 26 2006 09:22pm
gg. def worth a stickee
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#50
Aug 26 2006 09:25pm
Quote (PlatinumKid @ Sat, Aug 26 2006, 10:09pm)
6 frame Smite is the fastest possible

whats the ias percent for this?


The IAS require depends on the weapon you are using and the level of Fanaticism you have active, if any.
Use the weapon speed calculator I linked in the post above yours.
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