the problem with this video was the lack of a faith merc, it would have literally doubled his attack speed, doubling the amount of cb procs etc. I will put up a video sometime, im just grinding out lvls on ladder atm. almost lvl 98....

building him right now

just started - this could be a viable ladder starting build, really dirt cheap - gonna try it out

level 21 so far, just started this evening

This post was edited by Rhazas_Ghul on Jul 13 2018 02:23pm

Griefs setup has 50% crushing blow (is this "almost no" ?).
Grief / Death setup has 75% crushing blow (50% + 100%).
Both let you hit 5 frames per attack with an act2 mercenary, providing either +605%ed (Might+Pride) or +260%ed/Decrepify (Might+Reaper's), instead of +144%ed from a faith mercenary.
And as you said, you don't get Decrepify on every monster thanks to Lawbringer. Maybe against act bosses, but it's such a pain to switch weapons continuously that you won't use them very often.

You must understand that crushing blow alone doesn't kill anything. A little less CB and a little more damage may result in Ubers/DClone killed faster. It also provides more leech (since life/mana leech don't work with CB).

Your guide is well written however, and very self-consistent. Congratulations on that, and thanks for sharing it.
You forgot 1 point Leap attack / 1 point Battle cry, in your skill allocation (both can be very useful).

And finally, since you claim that this is an offensive build (and you're right, it must be), I don't understand why you don't suggest to invest more into strength.

I'll do a dps comparison of grief vs edeath a bit later when I have time - I'd imagine that the difference is not going to be huge between perfect rolls - Grief having higher damage per hit, but less CB and DS. Assuming that is correct, dual griefs will almost certainly be slightly slower for bosses like ubers (by maybe 1-2 seconds), but a bit faster for regular mobs where CB is less valuable - unless of course the health threshold requires a DS to 1 hit KO. I'll let you guys know.

Also - he did address the strength issue - I would personally put a bit more strength over dex for pvm but once again, I haven't run the numbers yet so can't be sure.

Incidentally - can I just ask about that character screen you posted - what did your inventory contain? If I filled it with 10/76/45's and 3/20/20's, how bad would the AR be? If AR is a serious problem, the Ignores Target's Defense mod on grief's would be nice for clearing out zones.

This post was edited by draftw3dr on Jul 14 2018 05:42am

I agree using a grief lets you hit the 5 frame breakpoint with an act two mercenary, and this lets you use pride / might. If you play solo non stop this is a good route to go. I play in a lot of players 8 games ( almost all my games) so the monster health pool goes up dramatically letting CB really do its magic. In public games a concentration aura is not hard to come by either, so if you are doing lots of chaos and baal runs you might find the pride being wasted.



My inventory has what i listed. 4 grand charms with ar / life ( about 130 ar each gc) and 5 sc's with random amount of attack rating i found. if you fill your inventory with 10/76/45's you will get the same amount of attack rating roughly ( maybe a bit more since i only use 4 gc's not 5) but that leaves no room for drops. I like to have room to pick up alot because you never know when that eth rare weapon you pick up will be a godly pvp item. In single player games some mobs can be 1 shot but not all, i find doom knights depending on the rng on damage can be 1 shot (players 1 for the 1 shot).

edit: this is meant to be a semi budget build for ladder, so coming by 10/76/45's is a challenge.... a 120-120 ar gc with no life or a bit of life is not, and they are extremely cheap. This build to make costs an ohm, jah, 2x vex, 2x gul and a Lo rune, everything else is very cheap.

This post was edited by Euxinus on Jul 14 2018 08:05am

You did forget the mdr on string. Its as powerful as the dr%

isnt cb worse in 8 player game

No, they are working at full effectiveness because he has Decrepify. Crushing Blow is not enhanced by negative resistances.


No


Yeah it's still the best setup for general play


Nowhere near as powerful. MDR factors after resistances, so it basically reduces damage from elemental attacks by about 3 or 4 with max resistances. The dr% and life leech are the keys to this item.


Battle Cry is a waste of time, you don't need it




This post was edited by Marieusz on Jul 14 2018 10:30am

@Marieusz

I know you edited post, I was wrong when i said it would double your dmg by getting faith, but your build doesnt hit the 5 frame breakpoint. You hit the 6 frame, which is 4.16 attacks per second vs 5.
I would need to agree leap attack and battle cry are a waste of time and skill points on this build, when would you even get to use these?


This post was edited by Euxinus on Jul 14 2018 10:46am

It's not my build and he hits 5.5 frames. Fanaticism is nice, but then you need to use weapon switches for the application of curses, which is a negative to the build.

And yes saying double damage is ridiculous. Are you American by any chance? It sounded like one of those dumb things American's say, using the word 'literally' in almost every sentence. I don't know when that crept into their common vernacular but it makes them sound incredibly dumb. If it's not literal don't use the word, you don't need hyperbole to increase the impact of a sentence, just speak accurately.

It's literally double (when it's 0.5 more)
I'm literally starving, I haven't eaten for 3 hours
I'm literally dying...


There's no hate, I asked a simple question because I was curious. You could have picked that bad habit up from interacting with North Americans or watching American media. Now that I have mentioned it you will notice it more, it's used all the time when 99% of the time it doesn't need to be.

This post was edited by Marieusz on Jul 14 2018 11:11am