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#31
Apr 10 2011 07:46pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 11 Apr 2011 01:22)
Seems like the people who post comments such as this are not even reading the guide at all :P

A Windforce is better? I sincerely guarantee you that a Windforce IS NOT better than a Faith GMB.
Go back to page 1 of this guide and read how much IAS it would require to get a Windforce to 8fpa.

The build does indeed support 7fpa with a Faith GMB while wearing Jeweler's Armor of The Whale.
If you really want 7fpa with Fortitude, get a Diamond Faith. Simple fix!

It also seems that you think 2000 hp on a zon is glass. This directly exposes your lack of knowledge on the topic.
Not to mention that the build I listed offers 2300+ hp depending on the quality of your gear. Apparently you read over this.

Also, about your Teleporting-CSing-Plaguer: I am sure it works great for casual public PvP
but here is what happens in higher-tier PvP= Zon vs Zon- East Ladder Season 7
Notice The CSers wearing Enigma are all at the bottom of the ladder.

but thank you for your input Goomshill, you help me define matters ^^


and to you! Royalton!
Your commentary indicates that you would have made much better choices in skill selection, items chosen and strategy used
Please write up your Amazon Guide and share it with all of us :P


There's already one fine bow guide, nn to make another one, but it's not yours.
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#32
Apr 10 2011 08:36pm
Quote (ILoveSai @ Apr 10 2011 09:43pm)
There was once a time when I had an inflated ego of mine (Much like the OP does of himself) in where I felt I was top class material.

I would continuously challenge anyone to a duel in which I thought were lower-skilled than me, much like the OP does, however being ignorant of the true competition I drove myself to the pit of despair where I faced the harsh reality of the "Top tier PvP"

It seems this amateur Amazon specializing in the Bow and Crossbow skills Talent tree has yet to duel some of the better duelers such as xX-DGERXHDINXZON or MF_ForSOJBot.

It seems you barely slid past one of your toughest competitions on the ladder (Twiztid_javax) who was utterly massacred by xXMb-DrUxX (The #1 Molten Boulder Druid of ALL time) 5 to zero.

Son, get with the program here, anyone that doesn't seamlessly wander around the legit dueling forum looking to get a dueling reputation for themselves would massacre you, you probably haven't heard of these duelists because you aren't looking in the right place, but step up. My friend Xavier has an Assassin that specifically trains in the Martial Arts talent tree and would defeat you with his vast knowledge in the Martial Arts and melee combat, However with a twist; he would pull out his Crossbow against your Bow and Crossbow skills Amazon (Ironically a talent you should have mastered) and Xavier could defeat you wielding the Blood Raven Matriarchal Bow, a genre of combat he has not ventured into before as he primarily focuses on Melee and close-range combat.

This amazon is a joke, anyone half decent at this game would show him what's up


Sounds like good competition
Drop them this link = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=53395344&f=147 for public challenge
or wait about a week for the new East NL All Class vs All Class thread to open up
We'll be looking for oldschool talent to join ;)
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#33
Apr 11 2011 10:50am
What about this?

You will be throwing really slow with that javelins if not minimum 30ias to get 90ias bp maybe add that so ppl know.

And also how do you get the strength needed for pheonix when you got -15req jewel in storm? and the ring you got has +str ofc you use this strength to wear storm and when you switch this ring for raven or wisp you wont be able to wear storm anymore. You should add this or how do you think about that?
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#34
Apr 11 2011 01:08pm
Quote (Depu @ Apr 11 2011 12:50pm)
What about this?

You will be throwing really slow with that javelins if not minimum 30ias to get 90ias bp maybe add that so ppl know.

And also how do you get the strength needed for pheonix when you got -15req jewel in storm? and the ring you got has +str ofc you use this strength to wear storm and when you switch this ring for raven or wisp you wont be able to wear storm anymore. You should add this or how do you think about that?


The Jeweler's Armor of The Whale showin in the stash, will easily allow you to achieve maximum IAS/fpa with the Faith GMB and throwing the Matriarchal Javelins.
(maximum IAS/fpa is mainly important in ZvZ)

If your Javelins have at least 20% IAS on them, then you will be able to wear Fortitude and still achieve maximum IAS/fpa while throwing your Matriarchal Javelins. (Read the IAS Charts)
If you require max fpa with a bow while wearing Fortitude, get a Diamond Bow.
(Fortitude armors are almost always banned in ZvZ. You will be using your Jeweler's anyway)

I made suggestion for Faith GMB so that this setup was easily changeable between ZvA and ZvZ setups.
I labeled the Javelins as *Eth/cruel/replenish quantity* because those are the absolutely important requirements on your Javelins (I was not suggesting Javelins withought IAS)
(Maximum fpa isn't everything. This is a common misunderstanding amongst ZvA builds. What is mainly important is Character Durability)
(If you want Diamond for max IAS/fpa with Fort, go for it. If you want to find 20% Javelins for max IAS/fpa with Fort, go for it)
* But I will forewarn everyone, that it is virtually impossible to dig up good rare Javelins this late into D2 *
* Anyone who has them, intends to maintain ownership of them *

The Stormshield is labeled as socketed with 40/-15 reqs because you cannot always wear a rare ring with +STR on it, while the Stormshield is on. Often you need 1x wisp, ect.. ect..
The Phoenix Monarch on the other hand, when needed will almost always allow the +STR ring. (Keep in mind that Phoenix itself is a sorb item and +stack item)


During my first thread, I was told that I explained too much and people wanted something easier to read.
Now during this second thread, everyone is asking the questions that I explained originally in the first thread.

The irony of it all ><

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 11 2011 01:09pm
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#35
Apr 11 2011 01:39pm
wow fucken gg guide
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#36
Apr 11 2011 04:00pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 10 2011 07:22pm)
Seems like the people who post comments such as this are not even reading the guide at all :P


I read your guide. I regret that. It was shit

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A Windforce is better? I sincerely guarantee you that a Windforce IS NOT better than a Faith GMB.
Go back to page 1 of this guide and read how much IAS it would require to get a Windforce to 8fpa.


I could construct a WF zon using a 4 socket armor that does a bajillion more damage than your fortitude / faith GMB build
Its shit. You hit 8 FPA when all you'd need to do to hit 7 FPA is switch to a different faith base.

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The build does indeed support 7fpa with a Faith GMB while wearing Jeweler's Armor of The Whale.
If you really want 7fpa with Fortitude, get a Diamond Faith. Simple fix!


Simple fix, more like your guide was written wrong in the first place
Theres no reason to choose between 8 FPA with fort and 7 FPA with 160/160, when you could be 7 FPA with fort by just building your char right.

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It also seems that you think 2000 hp on a zon is glass. This directly exposes your lack of knowledge on the topic.
Not to mention that the build I listed offers 2300+ hp depending on the quality of your gear. Apparently you read over this.


Your 2000 hp is IS glass.
My damach zon had 3200 HP after only a week of ladder, and shes better than this at yep, everything.

3200 hp. Not 2300. And thats with first-week-of-ladder gear. She'll have 3600-3700 with perfect gear.

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Also, about your Teleporting-CSing-Plaguer: I am sure it works great for casual public PvP
but here is what happens in higher-tier PvP= Zon vs Zon- East Ladder Season 7
Notice The CSers wearing Enigma are all at the bottom of the ladder.


Funny you should say Zon vs Zon East Ladder Season 7.
Just because you and your buddies don't know how to build real zons, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

I could beat the top non-tele zon with a telezon using wildwitch string for all it matters. Tele vs Non-tele is like HLD vs LLD dueling.
You can shoot off 50 garrows, watch me teleport from place to place and dodge everything thats coming at me with no hope of you boxing me in
I could do it all day long.

Course I don't have to, since I can just telestomp you with cs/plague off a long lock after suppression.








I think this is the breed of zon that dies to everything. The AvZ, not the ZvA.
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#37
Apr 11 2011 04:38pm
2.3k with no bo..
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#38
Apr 11 2011 08:53pm
Quote (hue_two @ Apr 11 2011 04:38pm)
2.3k with no bo..


2.3k *with* bo, look at his build.
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#39
Apr 11 2011 08:59pm
Can't stop reading this guide, good laugh.
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#40
Apr 12 2011 12:57am
bad build with str rings

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 11 2011 12:47am)
your presentation is good, but your build is shit
8 FPA? half life mod scs and half frw? One or the other- be a vita zon or be a glass, don't be a half assed 2000 hp zon.

you adjust these things, and you probably have the best build you can do wtih a pure bowazon
which is still, well, shit. Because by just rearranging gear and taking points out of dodge and such, I have a zon thats even tankier, teleports with high fcr, and kills people with mofucking 83k plague / 5400 cs on top of her garrow/multi


i mean, like others have said, even a windforce build beats this, and hard. go 7 fpa or go home



lol bro funny comment, but you forgot to state dat ur zon got 3x less dmg than any other, on top of dat its a telezon

Quote (Royalton @ Apr 12 2011 03:59am)
Can't stop reading this guide, good laugh.



orly ? stopped after seeing first pic
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