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Oct 28 2010 01:34pm
Bigstick,

Do you play on nonladder east? I would like check out your zon. LMK if you want to see my Faith, Wrath, Mavina or other. I have 6 bowzons and 4 are active.

Strafe has its place but I agree, multishot is a lot better but I think Faith is the best bow to use with Multishot. With a bow like Wrath, you will get killed quick using multishot, strafe is the only way to go. All depends on bow and setup.

Again, I would like to get up a game with you if possible.
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Oct 28 2010 02:05pm
I play on EU SC NL =/
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Well, to respond to your respons to my post.. oh, and by the way, I'm rather drunk atm so pardon any goofy impression I make.. ^^

First of all as you can see in my first post I said that the reason for using atma and strafe is for the small walkways in the begining of chaos. Mainly a bowzon for chaos should use Multi, ofc, but through the small compartments where monsters line up in rows better than in the Pits NOT using strafe (yes, you CAN afford one point in strafe!) would be a waste since your 100% pierce would give you a hit on all monsters every arrow (rather half of the arrows due to the Next Delay of strafe, iirc). While using Fortitude you can't tele past those parts so you will have to kill any monsters that come down those paths. Strafe CAN be used as a 1pt wonder, remeber that! Strafe+Atmas=instakill whenever amp triggers, that's why I'm saying Atmas would be nice. And the FRW from the circlet doesn't make that big a difference in PvM...

About the carms... Also, you are opting for a Glass Canon build (very high dex, all in all high ED from gear and a high damage bow) which is absolutely fine and I would say the best option when using Windforce. Because of WFs high pure damage getting a very high dex and using fort and all is awsome since you get so high damage from it, but... Some quick calcs from a drunk swede:

Your total off weap ED is
550 dex = 550 %ED
Fort = 300 % ED
Fairh = ~140% ED
LoH = 350 %ED to Demons

This makes for a total of 990% ED to non demons and 1340 % ED to demons

Taking non-demons as exampel even though there are some demons in CS, just to not over do it in favor of the point I'm trying to make. This means that if you add 2*10 max GCs and 2*3max SCs you would add a base of 26 max damage. This would be multiplied by your huge ED giving a total of 26*10.9=~283 max damage. This is an increase from 4.7k to 5.0k which is a decent one. Not game breaking but still pretty damn decent. And if you look at your inventory (I only looked at your screenshots of your inventory but I guess that is the same..) you will see that taking up those two extra rows in no way stops you from picking up items that drop! A TP in CS takes you right next to Cain, the stash and even very close to Merchants if you insist on selling crap for gold..

Thanks for reading!

Drunk guy off to bed!

//BloomTwig
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Oct 29 2010 08:18pm
Why not strafe?

This post was edited by ValkAKAValk on Oct 29 2010 08:18pm
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Oct 30 2010 02:20am
Quote (BloomTwig @ 30 Oct 2010 01:47)
Well, to respond to your respons to my post.. oh, and by the way, I'm rather drunk atm so pardon any goofy impression I make.. ^^

First of all as you can see in my first post I said that the reason for using atma and strafe is for the small walkways in the begining of chaos. Mainly a bowzon for chaos should use Multi, ofc, but through the small compartments where monsters line up in rows better than in the Pits NOT using strafe (yes, you CAN afford one point in strafe!) would be a waste since your 100% pierce would give you a hit on all monsters every arrow (rather half of the arrows due to the Next Delay of strafe, iirc). While using Fortitude you can't tele past those parts so you will have to kill any monsters that come down those paths. Strafe CAN be used as a 1pt wonder, remeber that! Strafe+Atmas=instakill whenever amp triggers, that's why I'm saying Atmas would be nice. And the FRW from the circlet doesn't make that big a difference in PvM...

About the carms... Also, you are opting for a Glass Canon build (very high dex, all in all high ED from gear and a high damage bow) which is absolutely fine and I would say the best option when using Windforce. Because of WFs high pure damage getting a very high dex and using fort and all is awsome since you get so high damage from it, but... Some quick calcs from a drunk swede:

Your total off weap ED is
550 dex = 550 %ED
Fort = 300 % ED
Fairh = ~140% ED
LoH = 350 %ED to Demons

This makes for a total of 990% ED to non demons and 1340 % ED to demons

Taking non-demons as exampel even though there are some demons in CS, just to not over do it in favor of the point I'm trying to make. This means that if you add 2*10 max GCs and 2*3max SCs you would add a base of 26 max damage. This would be multiplied by your huge ED giving a total of 26*10.9=~283 max damage. This is an increase from 4.7k to 5.0k which is a decent one. Not game breaking but still pretty damn decent. And if you look at your inventory (I only looked at your screenshots of your inventory but I guess that is the same..) you will see that taking up those two extra rows in no way stops you from picking up items that drop! A TP in CS takes you right next to Cain, the stash and even very close to Merchants if you insist on selling crap for gold..

Thanks for reading!

Drunk guy off to bed!

//BloomTwig


haha well true. i find 10max/6x-7x AR GC's over and over again, I keep them and try to sell for cheap prices. As my dmg already is high as it is. I don't really need the little extra dmg, even though you mind find it amusing to have a little more dmg ^^
10max = 100more dmg for me ^^

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Why not strafe?


have you read all the posts in the topic..? :P
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Oct 30 2010 05:57pm
Quote (Bigstick @ Oct 30 2010 10:20am)
haha well true. i find 10max/6x-7x AR GC's over and over again, I keep them and try to sell for cheap prices. As my dmg already is high as it is. I don't really need the little extra dmg, even though you mind find it amusing to have a little more dmg ^^
10max = 100more dmg for me ^^


Ofc, it ain't game breaking in either direction to use or not use damage charms. I just thought that you had a lot of inventory space being unused most of the time ^^

Quote (Bigstick @ Oct 30 2010 10:20am)

have you read all the posts in the topic..? :P


Did you read my post about strafe? ;)
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