Quote (Dazer_Boosting @ Jul 5 2022 07:01pm)

Patch 2.4.3 improved Whirlwind for Barbarians and Assassins.

1) First Hit Registry
2) Short Whirlwinds possible
3) Cast delay reduced
4) Whirlwind Skill hidden change (baseline -50% ed (+8% per level) to baseline 30% ed (+5% per level) and a bonus of 50% ar)
5) Less desynch

The only sad thing is, that blizzard fucked up the Whirlwind IAS / FPA a lot. It is very difficult to reach the max. possible ww speed of 4 FPA again now.

How to check dual wielding Whirlwind FPA:

1) Open the link: https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/243
2) Choose Class
3) Choose Primary Weapon (Weapon 1)
4) Choose Whirlwind
5) Add "Slowed By" or/and "Chilled" optional, if you wanna check the influence of slow effects
6) Check the table for needed IAS (Weapon 1 IAS + Gear IAS) to reach FPA
7) Write down / save the reached FPA for Weapon 1
8) Choose Primary Weapon (Weapon 2)
9) Add "Slowed By" or/and "Chilled" optional, if you wanna check the influence of slow effects
10) Check the table for needed IAS (Weapon 2 IAS + Gear IAS) to reach FPA
11) Write down / save the reached FPA for Weapon 2
12) Calculate: (Weapon 1 FPA + Weapon 2 FPA) / 2 (if its .5 then round up)
13) The result is the FPA for both weapons

Example: FPA 1 (4) + FPA 2 (5) = 9 / 2 = 4.5 -> 5 rounded up -> Both of your weapons will have a 5 FPA Whirlwind
FPA Illustration: 4 FPA = 6 hits per second | 5 FPA = 5 hits per second | 6 FPA = 4 hits per second

Note: The calculator for whirlwind as a barbarian or assassin is correct, but some other features and minor bugs gets updated in the future!

Quote (Dazer_Boosting @ Jul 5 2022 10:01pm)

Patch 2.4.3 improved Whirlwind for Barbarians and Assassins.

1) First Hit Registry
2) Short Whirlwinds possible
3) Cast delay reduced
4) Whirlwind Skill hidden change (baseline -50% ed (+8% per level) to baseline 30% ed (+5% per level) and a bonus of 50% ar)
5) Less desynch

The only sad thing is, that blizzard fucked up the Whirlwind IAS / FPA a lot. It is very difficult to reach the max. possible ww speed of 4 FPA again now.

How to check dual wielding Whirlwind FPA:

1) Open the link: https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/243
2) Choose Class
3) Choose Primary Weapon (Weapon 1)
4) Choose Whirlwind
5) Add "Slowed By" or/and "Chilled" optional, if you wanna check the influence of slow effects
6) Check the table for needed IAS (Weapon 1 IAS + Gear IAS) to reach FPA
7) Write down / save the reached FPA for Weapon 1
8) Choose Primary Weapon (Weapon 2)
9) Add "Slowed By" or/and "Chilled" optional, if you wanna check the influence of slow effects
10) Check the table for needed IAS (Weapon 2 IAS + Gear IAS) to reach FPA
11) Write down / save the reached FPA for Weapon 2
12) Calculate: (Weapon 1 FPA + Weapon 2 FPA) / 2 (if its .5 then round up)
13) The result is the FPA for both weapons

Example: FPA 1 (4) + FPA 2 (5) = 9 / 2 = 4.5 -> 5 rounded up -> Both of your weapons will have a 5 FPA Whirlwind
FPA Illustration: 4 FPA = 6 hits per second | 5 FPA = 5 hits per second | 6 FPA = 4 hits per second

Note: The calculator for whirlwind as a barbarian or assassin is correct, but some other features and minor bugs gets updated in the future!

Quote (ScrooogeMcDuck @ Jul 6 2022 07:21am)

Thanks, very helpful. I feel like this change diminishes the value of lower speed claws. Do we still feel that suwayyah is the ideal base for chaos?

Suwayyah 4 fpa requires 83ias which is not attainable in most builds.
Wrist Sword requires 58ias
Feral Claw requires 39ias
Runic Talon requires 23ias

I feel having 2x Feral/Runic is pretty much necessary on both claws to reach 4 frame ww on standard builds.

What is better?

A: 2x Feral/Runic to reach 4 fpa ww with less damage output.

Or

B: War fist/Suwayyah to reach 5 fpa ww with higher damage output.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Jul 6 2022 08:16am)

As I said before the patch came out (and blizzard even announced what they changed would be), under the vast majority of circumstances feral and runic are the only viable claws types.

Yet again, another nerf.

Quote (Evicted @ Jul 6 2022 10:18am)

Do we know if they fixed the first 2 WWs hitting at 4 and 8 frames before IAS kicks in? The nerf isn't so bad if you consider that they brought back short WWs. It's mostly just a mana sink

Quote (ScrooogeMcDuck @ 6 Jul 2022 16:21)

Thanks, very helpful. I feel like this change diminishes the value of lower speed claws. Do we still feel that suwayyah is the ideal base for chaos?

Suwayyah 4 fpa requires 83ias which is not attainable in most builds.
Wrist Sword requires 58ias
Feral Claw requires 39ias
Runic Talon requires 23ias

I feel having 2x Feral/Runic is pretty much necessary on both claws to reach 4 frame ww on standard builds.

What is better?

A: 2x Feral/Runic to reach 4 fpa ww with less damage output.

Or

B: War fist/Suwayyah to reach 5 fpa ww with higher damage output.

Quote (Dazer_Boosting @ Jul 6 2022 05:04pm)

A if you be a trap / ls based hybsin

B if you be a ghost or physical dmg based hybsin (like I am)

Thats my personal opinion!

5fpa = 5 hits per second
4fpa = 6 hits per second
-> This means that 4fpa "just" do 1/6 hits more within a second, which is 16,66% more damage if all hits landing.

But the damage difference from rt compared with suwayyaha or war fists is way more than 16,6%. Also u wont get a full 1sec whirlwind on most good players in this fhr weak patch. Most of the time u just land 1-2hits before opponent escapes.

Quote (Sath @ Jul 6 2022 05:05pm)

Ya,

I would have to agree, any caster is already gone after the first ww. Now that you can’t stun lock or keep someone in perpetual recovery while attacking it’s not like you are wwing multiple times in a row.

Also, aside from gear IAS and slow effects change your ww speed, attack speed calculations are essentially the same pre 2.4.3 correct? Or am I missing something? Thanks.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Jul 6 2022 06:18pm)

It’s completely different.

This was yet another big nerf to WW sins.