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Jan 21 2019 10:51am
Quote (pobo2 @ Jan 21 2019 11:51am)
hey guys,

i am a big fan of frenzy barb and love the theory-crafting discussion here. just have a couple of questions concerning the weapon choice for highest possible dps output. for the rest of the gear i assume having guillaumes, gores and highlords which already gives 50% cb and (lets say lvl 90 char) 63% ds.
according to what i read so far, dual grief or grief + edeath is BiS for normal mobs on lower player settings (like 1-4 maybe) and dual edeath is BiS for bosses/ubers or higher player settings (like 5-8 maybe).
of course you always have to reach the max bp of 5 fps, no matter what weapons you will be using. i was just wondering if there are other weapon combinations than the three i mentioned above that might have the same dps output or at least almost.

let's start with ba ebotd + ba edeath... i know the avg dmg of perfect pb grief compared to perfect ba ebotd is like 80 points higher and grief has 20 ds, itd (so cth 95% for white mobs and no need to focus on ar charms which lets you stack more res for instance) and 1,875% ed against demons/lvl.
but botd has more survivability because of 12-15% ll and 30 all stats and has 200% ed against undead (which neutralises the 1,875% ed against demons/lvl on grief).
so because of the high survivability, i assume you could put most of your points into str instead of vit (only enough points into vit for 2,5 k hp with BO, maybe even less) which would boost your dmg by another 250% ed or even higher.
i didn't do the maths but like that, in terms of raw dmg, botd could maybe surpass grief??? moreover, the leech might be so high that you could tank a huge mob even with AD on you and therefore playing carefully, which would slow you down in terms of dps output, isn't ever necessary?
of course there is still the 20% ds and itd on grief which matters a lot i guess!

second combination i was thinking about is eth stormlash (ofc with zod) + schaefers hammer (with lo for 20% ds)... raw avg dmg is much lower and no leech on either weapon so even with double leech ring + string of ears you probably have to go max vit.
but the fact that static field is an area effect could be pretty awesome when fighting against a large white mob. the static field procs by killing the first two monsters would maybe reduce a lot of the remaining monsters' hp??? if so, the fewer hits needed for the rest of the mob is maybe worth the lower raw dmg??

third combination is eth stormlash + eth stone crusher... perfect eth stone crusher has pretty much the same amount of raw avg dmg as perfect ebotd, maybe even a bit more because hammers get 1.1% ed from every point of str (would be +19% ed at 189 str in comparison to axes, swords, etc.).
cb would be very nice, 83% on stormlash and 90% on stone crusher. unfortunately neither of these weapons has ds so you stay at your 60%+ from guillaumes, highlords and gores. and no leech either. but there ist still static on stormlash...
so what are your thoughts here???

so what du you think about these combinations compared to dual grief, grief + edeath, dual edeath? i really would like to test all those different combinations to figure out which one has highest killspeed overall and in specific situations.
unfortunately, i just started playing d2 again after a couple of years and will mostly be playing on SP plugy mod. So it will take some time to get all those items and runes :-(


unless your a masochist i would not play barb single player as my main. so hard to get to a point where its not shit.
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Jan 21 2019 12:08pm
Quote (Hyperdimension @ Jan 21 2019 05:50pm)
Static isnt that good because cb will already cut enemy hp and lot of monster have light resist or light immunity. If you say botd has more leech, wouldnt grief leech even more with points in str since it has more damage? (Dont really feel like doing the calculation)


Against light immunes it's weak, that's true. but cb is single target whereas static is aoe. i don't think grief would leech the same amount as botd. it doesn't do tons of more dmg than botd to equalize 12-15% missing leech. but ofc i can't say that for sure without testing or doing the calculations on paper.
years ago when i played ladder, i had dual grief frenzy barb and was wearing a sacred armor (fortitude) so i already had 232 str and with string of ears and leech ring there were still some (though very rare) situations when i didnt leech enough to tank a mob. as i mentioned in my post before, grief has insane raw dmg but sometimes you have to play a little careful because the leech is low. which doesn't mean the leech with botd (even if it's 15%) is high enough to tank easily in all situations. i never tried ebotd on frenzy so far. my thoughts are all hypothetical.

@ Euxinus: won't play it as main, don't worry :-D mf sorc for sure until i have enough items for other chars. but getting high runes on SP will take a long time no matter what char i play...

This post was edited by pobo2 on Jan 21 2019 12:29pm
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Jan 22 2019 04:48am
What is your solution vs dolls?
I think its a superfun and wellbalanced build, I would say my favourite to play.
I think the biggest weakness is the only 15% dmgreduction, so dolls can kill me almost any time if im not very careful.
Im thinking about changeing forti to shafstop "um". So I sacrefice ed, and def, and ca effects, but 45% dr% can lead to more smooth gameplay. Im not sure how much dmg i lose, coz cb just crush, and ed from other sources may be enaugh to finish off.
What do U think?

And im a bit sad because lacerator has 50% monster to flee, breaking the amp curse. But dual lawbringer pb rox.

This post was edited by tacskokutya on Jan 22 2019 04:53am
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Jan 22 2019 08:07am
Quote (tacskokutya @ Jan 22 2019 11:48am)
What is your solution vs dolls?
I think its a superfun and wellbalanced build, I would say my favourite to play.
I think the biggest weakness is the only 15% dmgreduction, so dolls can kill me almost any time if im not very careful.
Im thinking about changeing forti to shafstop "um". So I sacrefice ed, and def, and ca effects, but 45% dr% can lead to more smooth gameplay. Im not sure how much dmg i lose, coz cb just crush, and ed from other sources may be enaugh to finish off.
What do U think?

And im a bit sad because lacerator has 50% monster to flee, breaking the amp curse. But dual lawbringer pb rox.

dolls are hard to play against, no doubt. if you go max vit then you should be fine killing 1-2 dolls, then drink potion while walking away, then kill next ones. takes a bit more time but it's safe. i usually let my merc kill them or just skip them. if they're in throne room and can't skip, let your merc do the job.
anyway i don't think it's worth giving up on fortitude only because of dolls. forti is way to good. maybe if you are playing on hardcore, but definitely not softcore
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Jan 22 2019 12:33pm
Quote (tacskokutya @ Jan 22 2019 06:48am)
What is your solution vs dolls?
I think its a superfun and wellbalanced build, I would say my favourite to play.
I think the biggest weakness is the only 15% dmgreduction, so dolls can kill me almost any time if im not very careful.
Im thinking about changeing forti to shafstop "um". So I sacrefice ed, and def, and ca effects, but 45% dr% can lead to more smooth gameplay. Im not sure how much dmg i lose, coz cb just crush, and ed from other sources may be enaugh to finish off.
What do U think?

And im a bit sad because lacerator has 50% monster to flee, breaking the amp curse. But dual lawbringer pb rox.


With 4k hp and even 15% dr, you should not have a problem with dolls.
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Jan 22 2019 12:36pm
Quote (swift_vengeance6 @ Jan 22 2019 02:33pm)
With 4k hp and even 15% dr, you should not have a problem with dolls.


this, i was clearing the nastiest throne rooms with this barb in players 8 games and never came close to dying
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Jan 28 2019 05:39pm
Some flaws in the build.

1. CB and Deadly strike are capped at 95%
2. If we use Dual Death = 95% cb(due to cap) and 70% Deadly Strike at lvl 70 + highlord 26% Deadly strike at lvl 70 we are capped on Deadly Strike and CB so no need CB and DS from Helm and Boots at all.
I would change boots with War Travelers(add 15-25 dmg) or Eth Sandstorm (FHR/FRW str/vit)
Helm can be either perfect Arreat or perfect vampire gaze probably Arreat better choice due to 30 all rezist FHR 20% bonus AR 2 barb skills 2 combat and ofc life leech. Crown of Ages with 2x 15ias/ED jewels is also one option.

3. No 3 i forgoth Fanatism aura from merc

This post was edited by SirWhale on Jan 28 2019 05:43pm
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Jan 28 2019 06:08pm
Quote (SirWhale @ Jan 28 2019 07:39pm)
Some flaws in the build.

1. CB and Deadly strike are capped at 95%
2. If we use Dual Death = 95% cb(due to cap) and 70% Deadly Strike at lvl 70 + highlord 26% Deadly strike at lvl 70 we are capped on Deadly Strike and CB so no need CB and DS from Helm and Boots at all.
I would change boots with War Travelers(add 15-25 dmg) or Eth Sandstorm (FHR/FRW str/vit)
Helm can be either perfect Arreat or perfect vampire gaze probably Arreat better choice due to 30 all rezist FHR 20% bonus AR 2 barb skills 2 combat and ofc life leech. Crown of Ages with 2x 15ias/ED jewels is also one option.

3. No 3 i forgoth Fanatism aura from merc


where did you read cb and ds are capped at 95 because its not

also you cant add the ds and cb from both deaths. any cb or ds on a weapon only applies during the time that you are attacking with that weapon, and frenzy alternates weapons.

This post was edited by Euxinus on Jan 28 2019 06:09pm
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Feb 13 2019 08:16pm
Recently finished my incantation of this barb. I hit 100% deadly strike at level 89

It's effing awesome. Because of the required gear pieces, resistances are a challenge, and I'm still finding workarounds for that. Only thing I added was a demon limb for level 23 enchant

In the end the build was pretty cheap, and the hardest thing to find was actually the 3os pbs for lawbringer.

Picked up 100 key sets for the ultimate test. Wish me luck!
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Mar 14 2019 05:03pm
I did my wsm version(with standard grief) , that way i dont need faith merc, i actually like eth reapers merc, its just chill to never bother thinking about immunes or dual immunes, and it kills faster in p8 due to the decreap curse. Im also at high ias when monsters decreap me :) a pride merc might be better, but i like the reapers :)

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 14 2019 05:04pm
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