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insterested in this toon on ladder?
here's the gear:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80223075&f=170&p=540246168#p540246168
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So if someone wanted to make this barb with colossus swords, the highest frenzy breakpoint is 7.5 fps? I'm confused on this
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I swap my 2x edeathz with 2xedeath in war spike and its even faster. actually, war spike is faster than ettin or zerker
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Quote (nekrotic @ Jan 4 2019 06:53am)
I swap my 2x edeathz with 2xedeath in war spike and its even faster. actually, war spike is faster than ettin or zerker



Good idea
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Quote (Euxinus @ Jan 4 2019 07:13am)
Good idea


how do you kill uber mephisto with this build? cant life leach. kicks my ass
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Quote (Orv @ Jan 7 2019 10:25pm)
how do you kill uber mephisto with this build? cant life leach. kicks my ass


Unlike maxblock shielded builds, in general frenzy has all kinds of problems, so if you are super high level and don't want to accidently die and lose a ton of exp, some attention is required...

For 1-3 player games frenzy build is superfun, but at higher player counts the weaknesses begin to show unless you have massive crushing blow against bosses, and amp curse or beserk or beserk synergy for frenzy for physical immunes. Without a shield, mana burners and a lag spike will have you reaching for pots quickly. Maybe get off a "howl" for safety.

Uber Meph is physically weak but has masses of elemental damage. Most without proper gear will perish instantly. Noob techniques are the safest way - Treachery prebuff, kira, life tap charges on switch are options.


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Jan 14 2019 03:54pm
Build looks amazing, just about to put together a Frenzy Barb myself... question though - is there a large dependency on the merc remaining alive to kill/survive? I'm planning on doing ubers and don't want to have to worry if I lose my aura in the middle of a fight just to go res...

Also, I was of the understanding that Life Tap was a requirement for Frenzy Ubers... is the IAS so good that Life Leach alone keeps you up?

This post was edited by pr0sp3ct on Jan 14 2019 03:59pm
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I've been playing this build for a while now this ladder and it is a ton of fun. I'm pretty well geared but not godly and I can solo ubers at lv 87.

Thanks for sharing this, Euxinus! This build has been a blast
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Jan 21 2019 09:51am
hey guys,

i am a big fan of frenzy barb and love the theory-crafting discussion here. just have a couple of questions concerning the weapon choice for highest possible dps output. for the rest of the gear i assume having guillaumes, gores and highlords which already gives 50% cb and (lets say lvl 90 char) 63% ds.
according to what i read so far, dual grief or grief + edeath is BiS for normal mobs on lower player settings (like 1-4 maybe) and dual edeath is BiS for bosses/ubers or higher player settings (like 5-8 maybe).
of course you always have to reach the max bp of 5 fps, no matter what weapons you will be using. i was just wondering if there are other weapon combinations than the three i mentioned above that might have the same dps output or at least almost.

let's start with ba ebotd + ba edeath... i know the avg dmg of perfect pb grief compared to perfect ba ebotd is like 80 points higher and grief has 20 ds, itd (so cth 95% for white mobs and no need to focus on ar charms which lets you stack more res for instance) and 1,875% ed against demons/lvl.
but botd has more survivability because of 12-15% ll and 30 all stats and has 200% ed against undead (which neutralises the 1,875% ed against demons/lvl on grief).
so because of the high survivability, i assume you could put most of your points into str instead of vit (only enough points into vit for 2,5 k hp with BO, maybe even less) which would boost your dmg by another 250% ed or even higher.
i didn't do the maths but like that, in terms of raw dmg, botd could maybe surpass grief??? moreover, the leech might be so high that you could tank a huge mob even with AD on you and therefore playing carefully, which would slow you down in terms of dps output, isn't ever necessary?
of course there is still the 20% ds and itd on grief which matters a lot i guess!

second combination i was thinking about is eth stormlash (ofc with zod) + schaefers hammer (with lo for 20% ds)... raw avg dmg is much lower and no leech on either weapon so even with double leech ring + string of ears you probably have to go max vit.
but the fact that static field is an area effect could be pretty awesome when fighting against a large white mob. the static field procs by killing the first two monsters would maybe reduce a lot of the remaining monsters' hp??? if so, the fewer hits needed for the rest of the mob is maybe worth the lower raw dmg??

third combination is eth stormlash + eth stone crusher... perfect eth stone crusher has pretty much the same amount of raw avg dmg as perfect ebotd, maybe even a bit more because hammers get 1.1% ed from every point of str (would be +19% ed at 189 str in comparison to axes, swords, etc.).
cb would be very nice, 83% on stormlash and 90% on stone crusher. unfortunately neither of these weapons has ds so you stay at your 60%+ from guillaumes, highlords and gores. and no leech either. but there ist still static on stormlash...
so what are your thoughts here???

so what du you think about these combinations compared to dual grief, grief + edeath, dual edeath? i really would like to test all those different combinations to figure out which one has highest killspeed overall and in specific situations.
unfortunately, i just started playing d2 again after a couple of years and will mostly be playing on SP plugy mod. So it will take some time to get all those items and runes :-(
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Quote (pobo2 @ Jan 21 2019 10:51am)
hey guys,

i am a big fan of frenzy barb and love the theory-crafting discussion here. just have a couple of questions concerning the weapon choice for highest possible dps output. for the rest of the gear i assume having guillaumes, gores and highlords which already gives 50% cb and (lets say lvl 90 char) 63% ds.
according to what i read so far, dual grief or grief + edeath is BiS for normal mobs on lower player settings (like 1-4 maybe) and dual edeath is BiS for bosses/ubers or higher player settings (like 5-8 maybe).
of course you always have to reach the max bp of 5 fps, no matter what weapons you will be using. i was just wondering if there are other weapon combinations than the three i mentioned above that might have the same dps output or at least almost.

let's start with ba ebotd + ba edeath... i know the avg dmg of perfect pb grief compared to perfect ba ebotd is like 80 points higher and grief has 20 ds, itd (so cth 95% for white mobs and no need to focus on ar charms which lets you stack more res for instance) and 1,875% ed against demons/lvl.
but botd has more survivability because of 12-15% ll and 30 all stats and has 200% ed against undead (which neutralises the 1,875% ed against demons/lvl on grief).
so because of the high survivability, i assume you could put most of your points into str instead of vit (only enough points into vit for 2,5 k hp with BO, maybe even less) which would boost your dmg by another 250% ed or even higher.
i didn't do the maths but like that, in terms of raw dmg, botd could maybe surpass grief??? moreover, the leech might be so high that you could tank a huge mob even with AD on you and therefore playing carefully, which would slow you down in terms of dps output, isn't ever necessary?
of course there is still the 20% ds and itd on grief which matters a lot i guess!

second combination i was thinking about is eth stormlash (ofc with zod) + schaefers hammer (with lo for 20% ds)... raw avg dmg is much lower and no leech on either weapon so even with double leech ring + string of ears you probably have to go max vit.
but the fact that static field is an area effect could be pretty awesome when fighting against a large white mob. the static field procs by killing the first two monsters would maybe reduce a lot of the remaining monsters' hp??? if so, the fewer hits needed for the rest of the mob is maybe worth the lower raw dmg??

third combination is eth stormlash + eth stone crusher... perfect eth stone crusher has pretty much the same amount of raw avg dmg as perfect ebotd, maybe even a bit more because hammers get 1.1% ed from every point of str (would be +19% ed at 189 str in comparison to axes, swords, etc.).
cb would be very nice, 83% on stormlash and 90% on stone crusher. unfortunately neither of these weapons has ds so you stay at your 60%+ from guillaumes, highlords and gores. and no leech either. but there ist still static on stormlash...
so what are your thoughts here???

so what du you think about these combinations compared to dual grief, grief + edeath, dual edeath? i really would like to test all those different combinations to figure out which one has highest killspeed overall and in specific situations.
unfortunately, i just started playing d2 again after a couple of years and will mostly be playing on SP plugy mod. So it will take some time to get all those items and runes :-(


Static isnt that good because cb will already cut enemy hp and lot of monster have light resist or light immunity. If you say botd has more leech, wouldnt grief leech even more with points in str since it has more damage? (Dont really feel like doing the calculation)
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