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#51
Feb 7 2019 07:15pm
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Paladin
Battleaxe (lvl35)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Battleaxe (lvl35)

Lvl 40.50 - 41.31 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 1/020___2/020___3/020___2/020___4/020
Lvl 41.31 - 42.14 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13% - 3/020___2/020___1/020___3/020___4/020
Lvl 42.14 - 42.96 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 2/020___0/020___5/020___2/020___3/020
Lvl 42.96 - 43.78 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 5/020___2/020___1/020___1/020___5/020
Lvl 43.78 - 44.54 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 2/020___7/020___0/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 44.54 - 45.23 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 0/020___3/020___2/020___3/020___0/020


Continuation:
Lvl 45.23 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 2/020___1/020___3/020___2/020___3/020
Lvl 45.87 - 46.61 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 16/100 Crit rate: 15% - 3/020___5/020___2/020___2/020___3/020
Lvl 46.61 - 47.27 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10% - 1/020___0/020___1/020___5/020___3/020
Lvl 47.27 - 47.92 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 3/020___2/020___1/020___1/020___4/020

Following information is attacking Soften the Sneaky Shell: And Critical Hits do appear.

Lvl 47.92 - 47.92 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 1/020___2/020___2/020___4/020___3/020
Lvl 47.92 - 47.92 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 3/020___1/020___3/020___4/020___0/020
Lvl 47.92 - 47.92 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 2/020___3/020___2/020___3/020___2/020
Lvl 47.92 - 47.92 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 2/020___2/020___1/020___2/020___4/020
Game Dropped

Continuation:
Lvl 47.92 - 48.66 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13% - 5/020___2/020___1/020___3/020___2/020
Lvl 48.66 - 49.18 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 5/020___0/020___3/020___1/020___3/020
Lvl 49.18 - 49.79 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 2/020___0/020___3/020___0/020___3/020
Lvl 49.79 - 50.40 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 0/020___2/020___1/020___2/020___3/020

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 102 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 7 2019 07:15pm
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#52
Feb 7 2019 10:38pm
Following Test will be done with a Paladin using Longswords and basically identical stats (Bits & Pieces may give different dex)

Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (TierIII no EE)
Explore
Salvation
1 crit strike
0% armor pierce
0% powershot

Lvl 01.00 - 02.88 Str 64 Dex 41 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13% - 4/020___2/020___3/020___2/020___2/020
Lvl 02.88 - 04.38 Str 64 Dex 41 Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10% - 3/020___2/020___2/020___1/020___2/020
Lvl 04.38 - 05.74 Str 64 Dex 41 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___0/020___3/020___2/020___1/020

Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 5) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
2 crit strike
0% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 05.74 - 07.45 Str 80 Dex 40 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 2/020___4/020___1/020___6/020___1/020
Lvl 07.45 - 09.05 Str 80 Dex 40 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13% - 0/020___2/020___4/020___4/020___3/020
Lvl 09.05 - 10.69 Str 80 Dex 40 Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09% - 1/020___2/020___3/020___3/020___0/020

Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 10) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
8 crit strike
0% armor pierce
2% powershot

Lvl 10.69 - 11.77 Str 90 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13% - 6/020___2/020___2/020___1/020___2/020
Lvl 11.77 - 00.00 Str 90 Dex 32 / *Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 3/020___*2/020___2/020___5/020___2/020
* Completed bits & pieces +2 Dexterity
Lvl 00.00 - 14.05 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 16/100 Crit rate: 16% - 3/020___1/020___3/020___5/020___4/020
Note: Forgot to jot down the levels, but I can assure you that the 100 attack actions are correct.
Lvl 14.05 - 14.95 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 19/100 Crit rate: 19% - 6/020___4/020___3/020___4/020___2/020
Lvl 14.95 - 15.87 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 3/020___2/020___1/020___2/020___4/020

Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 15) / + Crit Change
Explore
Salvation
5 crit strike
0% armor pierce
2% powershot

Lvl 15.87 - 00.00 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000
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#53
Feb 8 2019 06:09am
Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 15) / + Crit Change
Explore
Salvation
5 crit strike
0% armor pierce
2% powershot

Lvl 15.87 - 17.07 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 3/020___1/020___2/020___3/020___3/020
Lvl 17.07 - 18.32 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 20/100 Crit rate: 20% - 1/020___5/020___5/020___3/020___6/020
Lvl 18.32 - 19.37 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 3/020___2/020___5/020___1/020___3/020
Lvl 19.37 - 20.50 Str 90 Dex 34 Crits/Hits: 17/100 Crit rate: 17% - 5/020___3/020___1/020___5/020___3/020

Constant conditions->
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 20) / Stat Change / 0 Crit
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
2% armor pierce
0% powershot

Lvl 20.50 - 21.69 Str 114 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___3/020___1/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 21.69 - 22.83 Str 114 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 04/100 Crit rate: 04% - 1/020___0/020___1/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 22.83 - 23.87 Str 114 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 2/020___1/020___1/020___0/020___1/020
Lvl 23.87 - 24.87 Str 114 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 0/020___2/020___1/020___2/020___0/020
Lvl 24.87 - 25.88 Str 114 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 3/020___2/020___4/020___1/020___1/020

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 20) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 25.88 - 26.93 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 2/020___0/020___4/020___0/020___1/020
Lvl 26.93 - 27.80 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___1/020___2/020___1/020___2/020
Lvl 27.80 - 28.66 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09% - 3/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___3/020
Lvl 28.66 - 29.47 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10% - 0/020___1/020___5/020___3/020___1/020
Lvl 29.47 - 30.12 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09% - 2/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___4/020

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 30)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 30.12 - 30.92 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 0/020___2/020___1/020___3/020___2/020
Lvl 30.92 - 31.63 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 3/020___2/020___4/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 31.63 - 32.22 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 0/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___2/020
Lvl 32.22 - 33.01 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% - 1/020___0/020___3/020___2/020___0/020
Lvl 33.01 - 33.75 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15% - 1/020___3/020___3/020___3/020___5/020
Lvl 33.75 - 34.43 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 1/020___0/020___1/020___2/020___1/020
Lvl 34.43 - 35.09 Str 95 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 04/100 Crit rate: 04% - 0/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___1/020

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 35) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 35.09 - 36.02 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 06% - 2/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 36.02 - 36.93 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 5/020___6/020___0/020___2/020___1/020
Lvl 36.93 - 37.63 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 1/020___1/020___1/020___1/020___1/020 Welling on last 23 actions
Lvl 37.63 - 37.67 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___2/020___1/020___1/020___2/020 Welling
Lvl 37.67 - 38.39 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___1/020___2/020___2/020___1/020 Well ended 7 attack actions
Lvl 38.39 - 39.17 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 2/020___3/020___1/020___0/020___2/020
Lvl 39.17 - 39.97 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 3/020___2/020___0/020___0/020___3/020
Lvl 39.97 - 40.62 Str 77 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% - 0/020___0/020___2/020___2/020___2/020

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 35) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 40.62 - 00.00 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000
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#54
Feb 8 2019 06:47am
I find it interesting that not only you tested crits against sneaky but that you got roughly the same crit rate. I definitely would have expected less crits off sneaky. The most important part of that test isnt the crit numbers themselves but finding out sneaky crits at the same rate as normal mobs. This could make your testing alot easier since you could almost endlessly test it on a sneaky spawn.
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#55
Feb 8 2019 08:32am
Quote (Cheeya @ Feb 9 2019 01:47am)
I find it interesting that not only you tested crits against sneaky but that you got roughly the same crit rate. I definitely would have expected less crits off sneaky. The most important part of that test isnt the crit numbers themselves but finding out sneaky crits at the same rate as normal mobs. This could make your testing alot easier since you could almost endlessly test it on a sneaky spawn.


I was sort of hoping I could do that, and as I was going through the motions, it was starting to become tedious, even though the life bar lost a couple of pixels... the critical hit damage was around 50 to 55 only, and with my armor pierce of 6% I could see it working because I was dealing 23 damage (white), and of course the rest were 0's (white).

Also, I was thinking that if I had different stat gear in vault, I could do like 50 tests with each, and dependent on level, I could also test out 22% Critical Strike once I get a hold of that 10 Critical Strike armor. But, that is if I get around to it before I lose power.
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#56
Feb 8 2019 06:34pm
Quote (Cheeya @ Feb 8 2019 07:47am)
I find it interesting that not only you tested crits against sneaky but that you got roughly the same crit rate. I definitely would have expected less crits off sneaky. The most important part of that test isnt the crit numbers themselves but finding out sneaky crits at the same rate as normal mobs. This could make your testing alot easier since you could almost endlessly test it on a sneaky spawn.


The only reason you wouldn't deal as many crits is if sneaky automatically had crit flux, which we have no reason to believe. Defense has nothing to do with the ability to deal a crit, just the damage it is capable of
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#57
Feb 8 2019 06:52pm
Quote (McDavid @ 8 Feb 2019 18:34)
The only reason you wouldn't deal as many crits is if sneaky automatically had crit flux, which we have no reason to believe. Defense has nothing to do with the ability to deal a crit, just the damage it is capable of


crits are supposed to be 2x your damage... which is normally 0 as a melee so if you really think about it... there isnt even a logical explanation for how double nothing gives you crits that deal damage.
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#58
Feb 8 2019 06:54pm
Quote (Cheeya @ Feb 8 2019 02:52pm)
crits are supposed to be 2x your damage... which is normally 0 as a melee so if you really think about it... there isnt even a logical explanation for how double nothing gives you crits that deal damage.


Armor is only subtracted once. That is why higher single hit damage (i.e. heavy weapon or crits) deals more damage than two smaller hits. If the enemy doesn't have any armor, then it doesn't matter :)
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#59
Feb 8 2019 07:08pm
Quote (Cheeya @ Feb 8 2019 07:52pm)
crits are supposed to be 2x your damage... which is normally 0 as a melee so if you really think about it... there isnt even a logical explanation for how double nothing gives you crits that deal damage.


Mixing academic logic with game logic
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Feb 9 2019 01:35am
Continuation @ level 40:

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Longsword (Level 35) / Stat Change
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot

Lvl 40.62 - 41.47 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% - 3/020___1/020___0/020___2/020___0/020 (TD)
Lvl 41.47 - 42.24 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 03/100 Crit rate: 03% - 1/020___1/020___0/020___1/020___0/020
Lvl 42.24 - 42.97 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 04/100 Crit rate: 04% - 1/020___0/020___2/020___0/020___1/020
Lvl 42.97 - 43.69 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% - 1/020___3/020___0/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 43.69 - 44.45 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 0/020___2/020___2/020___3/020___5/020
Lvl 44.45 - 44.92 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 4/020___4/020___2/020___2/020___0/020 [Welled 4 items]
Lvl 44.92 - 45.58 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___2/020___0/020___1/020___3/020

Lvl 45.58 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/20___0/020___*1/020___3/020___2/020 * Sneaky
Lvl 45.87 - 46.66 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 1/020___0/020___2/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 46.66 - 47.29 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 1/020___2/020___3/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 47.29 - 47.94 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 0/020___2/020___4/020___1/020___0/020
Lvl 47.94 - 48.54 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 2/020___3/020___1/020___2/020___0/020
Lvl 48.54 - 49.15 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 03/100 Crit rate: 03% - 0/020___1/020___0/020___0/020___0/020
Lvl 49.15 - 49.78 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 03/100 Crit rate: 03% - 0/020___0/020___1/020___2/020___0/020
Lvl 49.78 - 50.28 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% - 1/020___0/020___2/020___1/020___1/020


Tests Done Versus Soften the Sneaky Shell:

Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% - 1/020___1/020___7/020___2/020___3/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 3/020___1/020___0/020___3/020___4/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% - 0/020___1/020___2/020___2/020___1/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% - 2/020___2/020___4/020___3/020___1/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 2/020___3/020___0/020___1/020___1/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 1/020___2/020___1/020___2/020___2/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 0/020___1/020___2/020___2/020___2/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% - 4/020___2/020___2/020___2/020___1/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 0/020___2/020___0/020___2/020___3/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 04/100 Crit rate: 04% - 1/020___1/020___0/020___2/020___0/020

Reduced Strength

Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 55 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 07/100 Crit rate: 07% - 1/020___0/020___3/020___3/020___0/020
Lvl 45.87 - 45.87 Str 55 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% - 1/020___3/020___3/020___1/020___0/020
Didn't look like I would gather much information here, even though dexterity to strength ratio is higher, it doesn't increase Critical Hit chance.
Killed Sneaky:

Damn... sword / long-swords seem to have a hard time critical hitting, I personally would like to find a good ratio to keep a constant 10% Critical Hit chance and damage. I will check to see if I have the gear to go 50/50 ratio... this might be a factor, since Axes & Battle-axes seem to use a 75/25 ratio... that is just my thoughts.

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 102 Dex 32 Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00% - 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000
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Quote (McDavid @ Feb 9 2019 02:08pm)
Mixing academic logic with game logic


Does this mean the game designer is not academically minded? Game logic comes from the creator, not the game.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 9 2019 01:43am
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