Quote (izParagonzi @ Jan 31 2019 05:16pm)
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Guardian
Explore
Retribution / Salvation
0 crit strike
13% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 62.84 - 63.31 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 63.31 - 63.70 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 63.70 - 64.17 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 2/100 Crit rate: 2%
Lvl 64.17 - 64.61 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 64.61 - 65.08 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 65.08 - 65.48 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 65.48 - 65.51 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 4/100 Crit rate: 4% (Welling)
Lvl 65.51 - 65.65 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0% (Welling ended @ 91 actions)
Lvl 65.65 - 66.00 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 2/100 Crit rate: 2%
Lvl 66.00 - 66.47 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 66.47 - 66.84 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0%
Lvl 66.84 - 67.27 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0%
Lvl 67.27 - 67.70 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 67.70 - 68.70 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 6/100 Crit rate: 6%
Lvl 68.70 - 68.44 Lvl 50 Long Sword Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 5/100 Crit rate: 5%
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 1 2019 06:55pm)
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Guardian
50 Longsword
Explore
Retribution / Salvation
0 crit strike
13% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 62.84 - 63.31 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 63.31 - 63.70 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 63.70 - 64.17 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 2/100 Crit rate: 2%
Lvl 64.17 - 64.61 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 64.61 - 65.08 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 65.08 - 65.48 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 65.48 - 65.51 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 4/100 Crit rate: 4% (Welling)
Lvl 65.51 - 65.65 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0% (Welling ended @ 91 actions)
Lvl 65.65 - 66.00 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 2/100 Crit rate: 2%
Lvl 66.00 - 66.47 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 66.47 - 66.84 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0%
Lvl 66.84 - 67.27 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0%
Lvl 67.27 - 67.70 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 67.70 - 68.44 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 6/100 Crit rate: 6%
Lvl 68.44 - 68.70 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 5/100 Crit rate: 5%
Lvl 69.00 - 69.35 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 2/100 Crit rate: 2%
Lvl 69.35 - 69.76 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 1/100 Crit rate: 1%
Lvl 69.76 - 70.15 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 3/100 Crit rate: 3%
Lvl 70.15 - 70.59 Str 63 Dex 13 Crits/Hits: 0/100 Crit rate: 0%
Lost track on last section of level.
Kept all info on one list... looks like an average of 1% / Now to test 75/25 ratio, might take time with only 30/10 stats.
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 2 2019 01:29am)
Last test was 50 Dex difference... this one is only 14 dex difference. (closer to a 50/50 ratio)
Let us see what happens. Stat Change in 5 Levels.
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Samurai
35 Longsword
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 35.04 - 35.91 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 35.91 - 36.69 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 36.69 - 37.60 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 37.60 - 38.31 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08%
Lvl 38.31 - 39.16 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 03/100 Crit rate: 03%
Lvl 39.16 - 00.00 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 05/100 Crit rate: 05% [Note: did not jot down level]
Lvl 39.16 - 40.75 Str 67 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14%
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 2 2019 03:54am)
Interesting outcome previous test. This time difference is 39 Dexterity, let's see if Critical Hits reduce.
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Samurai
35 Longsword
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 40.75 - 41.69 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15%
Lvl 41.69 - 42.51 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 42.51 - 43.36 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08%
Lvl 43.36 - 44.14 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08%
Lvl 44.14 - 44.93 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 44.93 - 45.44 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 2 2019 05:43am)
Same as above, same gear. Note, I realised that I missed some Critical Hits post #31... around the 3% and 5%, accidentally deleted the previous Crit Hit numbers and replaced them with the amount I had counted... noticed this with post #32, I just about did the same thing. Going to be more careful this time.
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Samurai
35 Longsword
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 45.44 - 46.12 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 08/100 Crit rate: 08% 1/23___2/22___1/24___2/08___2/16
Lvl 46.12 - 46.88 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 17/100 Crit rate: 17% 4/24___3/29___5/25___2/10___3/12
Lvl 46.88 - 47.32 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% 2/32___3/25___4/24___2/19___0/00
Lvl 47.32 - 48.00 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09% 3/33___4/29___2/20___0/18___0/00
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 2 2019 05:20pm)
Wondering if my posts are helping with your results.
Further breakdown. X amount of Critical Hits around 20 or so attacks.
Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Samurai
35 Longsword
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
6% armor pierce
1% powershot
Lvl 48.00 - 48.61 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11% 3/020___1/021___2/023___4/018___1/018
Lvl 48.61 - 49.24 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14% 3/019___2/019___5/023___3/020___1/019
Lvl 49.24 - 49.87 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12% 1/021___2/019___1/020___3/020___5/020
Lvl 49.87 - 50.56 Str 92 Dex 53 Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10% 2/020___1/020___3/020___1/020___3/020
Crunched your numbers for you a little:
Here are your averages!
Your longsword with 63 str 13 dex2.1% crit (n = 19)
Your longsword with 67 str 53 dex11.4% crit (n = 5; I omitted the two that you messed up--thank you for noticing and explaining that error so those could be removed)
Your longsword with 92 str 53 dex11.1% crit (n = 14)
So what I'm guessing after seeing both of our results is that... longswords and swords follow approximately equivalent str/dex-based crit formulae...
And str is basically irrelevant when it comes to crit. Dex is the major factor and is having a huge effect on crit. The ratio is unimportant as far as I can tell. From jedi's testing so far in here:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80551791&f=272We are seeing that str is heavily modifying (increasing) dagger crit and is therefore not following the same str/dex-based formula that swords are. My club testing showed dex also making a big difference with clubs but not str...
Str/dex seem to be the same on axes from my limited testing, and it remains to be seen how much of an effect they are each having on overall crit rate... I'll work on that some more but here are my current working hypotheses on how crit works with str/dex stats on melee weapons based on these data so far...
Str-based weapon crit (Club/Warhammer and Sword/Longsword) is not modified by str and only modified by dex, with club/warhammer being increased only ~half as much by the same amount of increased dex compared to sword/longswordDex-based weapon crit (Dagger/Spear and Staff/Polearm) is not modified by dex and only modified by str, with dagger/spear being increased only ~half as much by the same amount of increased str compared to staff/polearmAxe/Battleaxe crit is modified equally by increased str and dexI guess we'll see if we can reject any of these hypotheses in light of new data to come

Thank you for all your testing so far, both Rex and Jedi and putting them into a very easy to use format for us!!
This post was edited by BWConformity on Feb 3 2019 12:44am