Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 9 2020 04:35pm)

so in both cases you have shown a chance significantly lower than 50%.
One being 25% and the other 20%



As i said i checked successful attacks:
Results for 500 hits:
First 500: Club prof 11, mob level 12->17. Number of 0 hits ~15. Club prof changed from 5816 to 5918, so roughly 20%. I had 1x azapnid split, which is 8 wasted actions and i think i had some bad luck with 2x goocidics.
Second 500: Club prof 11, mob level 17->22. Number of 0 hits ~3.Club prof changed from 5918 to 6018, so exactly 20%. This was just a few goocidics hits from 2 spawns as i target them first, if it goes immune, kill everything else.


Now you've proven me right that the chance is significantly lower than 50% Do the test more times, you'll notice it consistently be around 1 in 5 melee actions. Even when counting "successful hit checks". Not sure where you got that terminology, would have rather 0 damage hits but whatever floats your boat.

I told you to specifically count just the melee hits to your weapon prof.
Healing "may" have a better rate, More tests would be necessary to know, your sample size of 15 is much too small, i'd need at least 500. Will possibly do the test myself.
It may also give you prof faster if it's a lower level, however i don't believe this is the case.



by who and what is the evidence? We've both done tests and it comes out 20-25%. So either we're amazingly unlucky and need to increase our sample size to 10,000 or the guy who mentioned that was trolling you.
I'm telling you right now its basically impossible for 1000 hits at a 50% chance to come out as low as 20%

If you STILL think it is 50% increase your own sample size rather than beating your face into a wall with your arguments, this is completely un-necessary.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 9 2020 03:57am)

Correct the following sentence:
An (1) Action is singular with A (1) Successful hit check vs A (1) Monster, can result in either 0 prof point(s) or 1 prof point = 50/50.


Google Random Generation/Generator Platform (something like that)

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 9 2020 03:57am)

Correct the following sentence:
An (1) Action is singular with A (1) Successful hit check vs A (1) Monster, can result in either 0 prof point(s) or 1 prof point = 50/50.


Google Random Generation/Generator Platform (something like that)

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 9 2020 05:01pm)

Get yourself a pingpong ball and a jar. Stand 2 meters away and throw the ping pong ball into the jar.

There are 2 results:
Ping pong ball ends up in jar
Ping pong ball misses the jar

Chance increases based on the accuracy of the person throwing the pingpong ball

Apparently this is a 50/50 chance.

Do this test for me.

Lets also do it where you stand 2 miles away from the jar, i want you to throw that ping pong ball 2 entire miles
There are 2 results
Ping pong ball ends up in jar
Ping pong ball misses the jar

Depends on the throwers ability to throw that distance and wind factor (unless you are doing this in a large Factory)

Also a 50/50 chance

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 9 2020 05:13pm)

1 other point then, do you get critical hits 50% of the time?
An (1) Action is singular with A (1) Successful hit check vs A (1) Monster, can result in either 0 critical hit or 1 critical hit = 50/50.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 9 2020 04:18am)

The difference in the last one, is that it is more like 0% chance because no one can throw a pingpong ball that distance....

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 9 2020 05:33pm)

This is the entire point i'm trying to get across. Not all things with two outcomes are 50/50 chances.
I am telling you with 100% certainty that critical strike and proficiency are not 50/50 chances.
The Proficiency is more like a dice. Where if you roll a 6 you get +1. If you roll 1,2,3,4 or 5 then you do not.
Critical strike is closer to a 5% chance or lower. More like rolling the dice twice and getting a 6 both times = you got a critical strike. Or rolling a single 20 sided dice.


I am telling you that you are wrong and have given proof that you are wrong, I have accepted parts of your arguments when I do not have enough evidence such as:
Healing "may" have a better rate, More tests would be necessary to know, your sample size of 15 is much too small, i'd need at least 500. Will possibly do the test myself.

I've not said you are wrong here and suggested the best way to know for certain is to produce a sample size large enough to remove all outcomes.


Can the guy who could flip 2 coin and get them to land heads do that 1000 times in a row? or 10,000 times in a row? Can you do it?
Sample sizes are able to give a very good idea of probabilities or the chance of something happening.
If we had a sample size of 1 million and 210,000 of them came out with +1 prof, then i'd argue the chance was 21% instead of 20%.


The first step to ending this nonsense topic is for you to accept that the proficiency is not a 50/50 chance so we can move on with our lives.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 9 2020 04:46am)

you are calculating the AVERAGE CHANCE over the 10k actions.

You can NOT gain more than 1 prof point for 1 Successful Hit Check Action vs 1 Mob : it is either 0 or 1... end of story... you are lost on dice scenario.

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 9 2020 05:52pm)

Yes i'm calculating average chance.

what the fack are you calculating? how much nonsense you can spam in this thread before it gets closed?

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 9 2020 04:59am)

Funny... you say I am wrong, yet you don't acknowledge that I was correct all along. Shit, I can say that your average is wrong because it is random, the % chance can change drastically, this is what I tested just with Heals before and only doing 10 actions at a time:

1326 start / 1333 = 7/10 create new game
1333 start / 1335 = 2/10 create new game
1335 start / 1335 = 0/10 create new game
1335 start / 1335 = 0/10 create new game
1335 start / 1335 = 0/10 create new game

Wow... that sucks 9/60 ... is it worth continueing?

Oh... this should not be closed because it is related to the topic and we are not being abusive with each other.

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Subject Matter:
A single Attack/Heal ACTION = 0-1 Prof Point. Max Cap 10 per Wave excl Event Mod.