So the majority of the people in the hospital for Covid are the unvaccinated, right?

Lets do some math here:

Pandemic starts, nobody has the jab - 100% of people in the hospital are unvaccinated, right?

Fast-forward to today, 91% of people have at least one dose. Lets go with your numbers and assume that the vast majority of ppl in hospice for Covid are unvaccinated - this should mean that cases which result in ICU intervention have been reduced to 9-15%.


My question to you:

How are hospitals still "overloaded?"


You have no answer for this - don't even try. Proceed straight to far left radical ad-hominim attacks.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 10 2021 06:01am

this is not a partisan issue. i wasnt gonna get it when trump was in charge either.

Hi, APRN here that’s worked in an ICU since day one of COVID.

Hospital are overloaded because there is a huge influx of COVID-19 patients. Add this to the already high demands of the hospital system and it brings some systems to their needs. Compound this with constant burnout in doctors, nurses, aids, respiratory therapist etc and you’ve got a struggling healthcare system.

Nobody is saying every ICU bed is taken by COVID patients “unless it is, which is the case in some scenarios”, what we are saying is it’s a compounded problem. Another issue we’re having is an increased length of stay in these patients. We’ve gotten really good at keeping you alive if you’re in a critically ill state. What ends up happening is your lungs become completely destroyed by the disease, you end up getting a tracheostomy and a percutaneous endoscopic gastronomy, sit around on the ICU because your lungs are trash and you’re requiring a massive amount of support on a ventilator, you end up with a nosocomial infection of some sort, extend your stay a few more weeks for antibiotics, you end up with more skin breakdown which extends your stay longer for advance wound care therapy. This trend goes on and on UNTIL one day you either die or your ventilator requirements get low enough to leave to an LTAC. And most of the time, you’ll end up back on our doorsteps.

This is kind of a generalized summation of what occurs with a huge majority of our COVID population. You live in our ICU for weeks/months.

I'm glad you brought this up.

Would it be fair to say (in your experience) that if America didn't have so many morbidly obese, gay aids patients, self mutilators via mental illness or gang violence - that the healthcare system would be perfectly adequate to handle Covid?





This sounds horrible and I was aware of it, however - this is the critically ill case (the 1% or less - who are also typically obese or smoke.)


If you could - would you hazard a guess at how many of your patients are Covid related and how many are what you might call your 'regulars?' (Gang violence, diabeetus, cancer, aids, etc etc.) And how many Covid patients also share these afflictions? ((Fair warning, I already have the exact statistics on this - incorrect answers will be used against you))


I still need to grill you on the ratios, as well.

How did we go from 100% people unvaccinated with a strained, but barely stable healthcare system - to 91% of people vaccinated with at least one dose, but with an overloaded healthcare system which is bursting at the seams? Are you suggesting that 9% of the population is causing a case load that is 10x more than 100% of the people did 4 months into the pandemic?

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 10 2021 09:16am

So you're saying that the figures being released by Canadian hospitals are a hoax and the majority of people are in on this hoax and that only a specific few like yourself are truly woke enough to see through the thin guise. The person that has proven they have no ability to read , the person that shows absolute stupidity on a public forum without any self-awareness, you want me to belive this person rather than the collective group of health authorities releasing daily public figures?

Do I have that right? Id say your akin to a flat earther.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 10 2021 09:25am

No, the figures are absolutely not a hoax - they're the very same ones I use.


The vast majority of Covid patients in the ICU are unvaccinated - the benefits of being vaxxed are absolutely clinically proven, however - that does not tell the whole story. Nobody has thought to ask why these patients have such severe outcomes, even though the research data has proven unequivocally that 95% of Covid patients in the ICU are dealing with co morbidities that amplify the effect of the virus.

That's right, dumb ass - you're in the ICU, not because of Covid - but because you were unhealthy to begin with.

So what ? That does not detract that the vaccine would have potentially reduced them getting it to begin with meaning nothing would have been amplified. Not only that the amplification would have been less if they already had the antibodies from the vaccination. They could very well be unhealthy to begin with or aging, they wouldn't have ended up there if something didn't as you said "amplify it". Or it may not have spread to begin with to these people with ailments since the vaccine reduces spread as well.

And thus it keeps hospitalization down which was the goal.

You're little escapade to try to blame unhealthy people does not add traction to your argument since you are not arguing that COVID amplified their their ailments/ issues and the point of the vaccine is the reduciton of spread and symptoms and thus reducing the amplification you are arguing.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 10 2021 09:35am

You do realize my position on vaccines is that the unhealthy should be forced to get it, right?

I also support forceful intervention for the obese, as well. If I had dictatorial power over the USA, fatties would go to fat camp and be forced to stay there until they look like captain America.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 10 2021 09:38am

That's fine and I am pro vaccine regardless of health status, it does not mean I am some fatty sympathizer. I pay the highest income tax rate to fund welfare that goes to a large amount of people ridding around on rascal scooters or to lazy to pick up a shovel. I don't like it and would simply not allow those people to collect social welfare, doesn't have any impact on my view about vaccines and that healthy people should also receive it.

Healthy people should not receive the vaccine, because their risk of having a severe outcome from Covid-19 is a statistical zero.

Only .5% of cases in the healthy individual will ever reach the critically symptomatic phase -

60-70% of the cases are resolved asymptomatically, silently killing the virus and generating superior anti bodies to the vaccine.

A remaining 30-40% are what we'd call 'mildly' symptomatic cases - also requiring no intervention, but exposing the body to low levels of risk (potential for holes in lungs etc.) A small portion (.05) of the 30-40% will reach critical status - exposing the body to severe risk and death.


When we consider the effects of hygienic mitigation like:

Social distancing
Masks
Washing hands religiously

The chance of Covid-19 defeating every layer of mitigation and successfully giving a healthy person enough viral load to cause a severe case which requires ICU intervention is literally - statistically, zero. So no, I'm not pumping a vaccine that we do not have long term studies for into my body.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 10 2021 09:52am