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Aug 19 2013 06:03pm
hey raynor i was doing the strength 5x5 chest day today.
I was on the 4th set and no energy to do the 5th rep. And when i upped the last set to 85% of my max i couldnt even get 1 rep up.. whats wrong?
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Aug 19 2013 09:18pm
Quote (tidus_ffx2 @ Aug 18 2013 07:50pm)
thank you. do you recommend a different brand for my pwo stuff? or us truenutrition good?


that's fine, as long a its certified and US made, it won't be an issue.
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Aug 19 2013 09:30pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Aug 18 2013 08:34pm)
How much protein does a person with hardly any physical activity need per day?

I remember last year at school my biology teacher asked how much protein u need per day.

My answer was like 1/2g per lb of lean body mass.

She said no and said 30g.

Then she went on to say protein is the reason there are so many fat people, because people eat so much of it.



LMAO! Your teacher is about an intelligent as a brine shrimp.

I'm sorry, that post made my day! I am very happy you shared that with me.

This is problem with the nutrition and medical industry today. Misinformed people, such as your teacher, spew forth the most irrational idiocy told to them by textbooks, written by other equally moronic individuals.

Humans eating too much protein accounting for obesity is the most typical 1970s-1980s mainstream FDA garbage science imaginable. Remember the old Food Pyramid? With 50% of the diet being made up from carbs, and around 20% from protein? That massive idiocy is part of the government sticking their hands in science.


Anyway - here is the truth.


Protein, is the absolute MOST important macronutrient. The human body can survive on PROTEIN by itself, without the presence of fat/carbs. However, the human body will not survive well this way, and requires either fat OR carbs (but technically does not require both) in order to survive and thrive physically.

That being said, protein, as the most important macro, is also the most important to be consumed in abundance.

In sedentary humans, who simply do NOT exercise, 1g / lb of bodyweight is sensible.

For active males, engaging in weight lifting and attempting to gain muscle mass, 1.5 g / lb of bodyweight is MUCH more sensible.

Professional bodybuilders and powerlifters can take in as much as 2g / lb of bodyweight per day.


As far as fatbodies are concerned, massive doses of carbs with little protein, and no exercise is what's causing their obesity.

If you eat 2,500 cals of protein and fat, with 0g carbs - compared to 2,500 cals of ALL carbs, 30g protein, and 60g fat, you will see CONSIDERABLY larger fat gains in the second group.

It's true that total calories mean the most with regard to fat loss, however, they are not the ONLY thing that matter. High protein, lower carb, moderate fat = best overall for an average human.


However, certain body types, ie: Mesomorphs, endomorphs, and ectomorphs (and blends thereof) all handle macros differently. The mesomorph can take in more carbs and less protein and still gain muscle rapidly. However, the endomorph needs far fewer carbs, and more protein in order to stay lean. The ectomorph needs a ton of carbs/fat/protein in order to even make SOME gains.


At the end of the day, if you took 30g of protein per day every day, for a year, combined with vigorous exercise, you would either look like you had AIDS, or, if enough calories were consumed, a skinny-fat desk jockey.



Sorry for the rant!
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Aug 19 2013 09:32pm
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I'm 6'0 and 160 with almost no virtually no muscle.

I'm trying to get to 170-180 with a lean/cut look, not interested in size or the bulky look.



Is this Hypertrophy Plan the one you'd recommend for my goal? http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=327158583#p327158583

When I used to workout, it'd be something like this:

- 4 exercises per muscle
- 3 sets per exercise (so 12 sets per muscle)
- 10-12 reps per set

I don't know if the gains were good or not, don't know what to compare it to. Based on your plans, it seems like I wasn't doing enough exercises per workout.

But what I liked about it was that very streamlined and easy to follow because of the set number of exercises, sets and reps for each muscle. I would prefer something like that, but if you think your Hypertrophy Plan is the way to go, I'll go for it :P


Thanks. I'd appreciate any help :)



Yes! That is exactly what you want.

Use this diet with it:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=406743805
3,000 calorie diet w/ 40/40/20 macros



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Aug 19 2013 09:32pm
Quote (BlueNin42 @ Aug 19 2013 08:03pm)
hey raynor i was doing the strength 5x5 chest day  today.
I was on the 4th set and no energy to do the 5th rep. And when i upped the last set to 85% of my max i couldnt even get 1 rep up.. whats wrong?


Could be a few things.

Pre-exhaustion, starting too heavy, not enough time between sets, or not enough muscle glycogen.


Were you able to do this the previous week?
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Aug 19 2013 09:49pm
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Could be a few things.

Pre-exhaustion, starting too heavy, not enough time between sets, or not enough muscle glycogen.


Were you able to do this the previous week?


i started same followed the percentage but couldnt get it up after the 5th rep of the 4th set.
this is my first week doing it. I did my 1rep max last week.

also muscle glycogen? no idea what that is

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Aug 20 2013 12:02am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Aug 19 2013 08:32pm)
Yes! That is exactly what you want.

Use this diet with it:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=406743805
3,000 calorie diet w/ 40/40/20 macros


3,000 clean is a lot for me :O I only hit that much when I have McDonalds or something :lol:

I also never have had that much daily protein. Usually something between 75-100% my body-weight in grams. Maybe that's why my gains have always been shitty lol.

Anything I can use to replace 1/2 cup of black beans and 1 cup of broccoli? :P

Also, say I can't get my 3,000 clean calories consistently. Is it better to fill up the quota with dirty calories or just eat less?

Similarly, how important is it to only have 30-60 second rests in between sets versus waiting 2 minutes and being able to do more reps?

For example, if I'm doing bicep curls, I do 12 and then rest 45~ seconds, I probably do 8-10 the next set. However if I wait 90 seconds, I'll be able to 12 again. Just wondering where the balance is.


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Aug 20 2013 01:16am
is 130 kgs/290 lbs good in deadlift 5 rep 3 sets?

I'm about 170 cm tall, and about 67 kgs

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Aug 20 2013 03:25am
Quote (LuLer @ Aug 20 2013 02:02am)
3,000 clean is a lot for me :O I only hit that much when I have McDonalds or something :lol:

I also never have had that much daily protein. Usually something between 75-100% my body-weight in grams. Maybe that's why my gains have always been shitty lol.

Anything I can use to replace 1/2 cup of black beans and 1 cup of broccoli? :P

Also, say I can't get my 3,000 clean calories consistently. Is it better to fill up the quota with dirty calories or just eat less?

Similarly, how important is it to only have 30-60 second rests in between sets versus waiting 2 minutes and being able to do more reps?

For example, if I'm doing bicep curls, I do 12 and then rest 45~ seconds, I probably do 8-10 the next set. However if I wait 90 seconds, I'll be able to 12 again. Just wondering where the balance is.




1. Black beans can be replaced with something like Buckwheat, pinto beans/red beans, okra, or virtually any other complex carb w/ high fiber that you enjoy.

2. Broccoli can be replaced with any green vegetable.

3. Avoid dirty calories, but just remember 3K calories really isn't that much when you are eating full sized meals with snacks in between. You will get used to it.

4. You must have less rest between sets in order to get the benefit of hypertrophy.
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Aug 20 2013 03:27am
Quote (BlueNin42 @ Aug 19 2013 11:49pm)
i started same followed the percentage but couldnt get it up after the 5th rep of the 4th set.
this is my first week doing it. I did my 1rep max last week.

also muscle glycogen? no idea what that is


Being that this is your first week, lower the weight on all sets by a small margin. Also make sure to take enough rest between sets.

Muscle glycogen can be increased prior to exercise with some simple carbs pre and intra workout - bananas work great for this.

A good idea of a pre-workout for you would be 1-2 bananas + 5g BCAA + 200mg caffeine (approx 1 cup black coffee)
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