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Oct 31 2012 08:07pm
Quote (carteblanche @ Oct 31 2012 01:06pm)
out of curiosity, how is that different from what he has? assuming day1 is sunday: instead of 6 workout days from Sunday to Friday with rest on saturday, he'll get 6 workout days from Thursday to Tuesday with rest on wednesday, so it's still 6 straight workout days.


No, it isn't.

It's 3 days of workout followed by one day of rest.

That means:

1-2-3-REST-4-5-6-REST

his method was 1-2-3-4-5-6-REST-1-2-3-4-5-6-REST

Do you see the difference now?
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Oct 31 2012 08:09pm
Quote (Shekkie @ Oct 31 2012 05:36pm)
Hey raynor I've been diligently following the workout you laid out for me as well as my swim schedule and I'm definitely seeing some improvements. Thank you so much for that! I just have one more question though. I've never taken any protein supplements before but was considering maybe just taking some protein possibly at night after my final workout/ swim practice (3day split lifting when I don't lift I swim at night). I usually just drink 2 cups of skim milk after but was wondering if I would see any extra benefits in taking the extra protein.

Or would there be a more recommended time of day I take it? Or should I just avoid it.

Goals: drop 3-5 more lbs
Swim faster (mid distance)
Get stronger if I can


my bad i feel this is really vague
i guess with my diet and everything intact as it is now would it be worthwhile to take an extra protein shake or something at some point in the day?
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Oct 31 2012 08:13pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Oct 31 2012 03:32pm)
I'd like to know why you keep suggesting synthetically formulated multivitamins.

Vitamin E without all the supporting tocopherols has been shown to up the chance for certain forms of cancer.

Synthetic Vitamin A has been shown to up the chance of lung cancer.

More and more research keeps coming out suggesting that isolated synthetic vitamins do NOT function the same as what is found in nature with all the necessary counterparts.


I second this.
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Oct 31 2012 08:23pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Oct 31 2012 04:32pm)
I'd like to know why you keep suggesting synthetically formulated multivitamins.

Vitamin E without all the supporting tocopherols has been shown to up the chance for certain forms of cancer.

Synthetic Vitamin A has been shown to up the chance of lung cancer.

More and more research keeps coming out suggesting that isolated synthetic vitamins do NOT function the same as what is found in nature with all the necessary counterparts.



Here are the problems with your post.

1. Argument.
2. Specious Reasoning based on selective studies.
3. Not thoroughly thought-out or researched.


Here are the solutions.

1. Try to ask questions in a fashion that does not make you come across as being pompous and antagonistic.
2. Do some more research and find counter-claims and other studies and then start drawing your own conclusions. Remember to leave these conclusions as simple hypothesis until proven correct.
3. Make sure not to let emotion, zeal, or testosterone get in the way of being civilized and educated.



If you really think that "synthetic" vitamin e causes cancer, or in your words "ups the risk" of cancer, you are unfortunately mistaken. Alpha Tocopherols are not nearly as beneficial as Delta or Gamma Tocopherols - this is true. However, insufficient levels of vitamin E, regardless of mixed tocopherol profile, has been shown to be deleterious to health across the board. In a perfect world, it would be best to have a mixed tocopherol blend with 45/45/10 in order of D/G/A.

With regard to vitamins in general, it is obvious that one must have a balanced vitamin profile in order to maintain optimal health. Too much of one vitamin and not enough of another, is certainly not beneficial to the user, and in some cases can be harmful.

There are exceptions to this, such as in the case of vitamin C, which can often be superdosed with virtually no negative effect, regardless of supporting micronutrients.


Lastly, on the topic of studies...


You can craft a study to go any direction you'd like. If you study the "right" or "wrong" ground of people, you can achieve a different reaction based upon sampling, pre-instruction, geographical concerns, etc. Furthermore, other factors are rarely examined.

Example:

5,000 men are sampled, 2,500 receive a placebo and 2,500 receive vitamin E (alpha tocopherol only)

The 2,500 with the placebo somehow contract 16% more lung cancer, but 33% less prostate cancer.

The 2,500 with the vitamin E, contract 16% less lung cancer, and 33% more prostate cancer.

Thus, Vitamin E must increase prostate cancer and decrease lung cancer, right? Wrong.


Fluctuations with sampling patterns is not uncommon. Furthermore, pre-instruction regarding what the study is in regards to can affect subjects in unknown ways. Then there is the concern of what OTHER ingredients went into these pills. Did we study the other ingredients? Is the cellulose from a good source? Is there a potential that the batch of placebos was tainted with small amounts of arsenic?

This is how technical and absurd the process can become when conducting research.



So before you become high-and-mighty, take some time to use your brain, and think.
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Oct 31 2012 08:26pm
Raynor,

I plan on cutting come January. I've bulked for 8 months, and when January comes will have more than 12 months of solid strength training under my belt. I'd like to know your opinion on doing hypertrophy while cutting? Would you recommend this? If no, can you give me an alternate recommendation? My goals now is to gain mass, and have definition, to be more specific, I want to get bigger. Shoulders the size of dwight howard for example.
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Oct 31 2012 08:28pm
Quote (Nevada @ Oct 31 2012 08:32pm)
Im getting alot of free products from the place where my uncle works such as plasterized egg whites in cartoons and I use them in drinks...and whey proteins is kinda hard to get where I live/cost alot so I just use the egg whites im getting

So been making "protein smoothies/shakes" w/e you wanna call it when im not hungry to replace a meal or sometimes as a snack after I play hockey

Can you tell me:
1- how many calories this contains
2- how many times a day can you drink this and when preferably
3- if the portions im putting too big or not enough? or if im putting too much useless stuff that aren't needed

1 cup water
1 cup egg whites
1 tbsp natural peanut butter
1 bananas
just a small pinch of cinnamon
1/4 cup of oats (sometimes I dont put any)


thanks




For future reference, use the nutritiondata.self.com website for information like this.


http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/112/2 - 1 cup egg whites= 117 cal, 26g protein.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4366/2 - 1tbsp peanut butter = 94 cal, 4g protein.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1846/2 - 1 medium banana = 105 cal, 27g carbs.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/7298/2 - 1/2 cup oats = 150 cal, 27g carbs.

total = approx 420 cals with around 30g protein and around 60g carbs

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Oct 31 2012 08:28pm
Quote (EverNineAfter @ Oct 31 2012 08:33pm)
whats best routine for hypertrophy and strength



http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=345300636
5x5 plan (best for strength)


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=345358141
Hypertrophy Plan 3-on-1-off (best for size)
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Oct 31 2012 08:29pm
Quote (Shekkie @ Oct 31 2012 08:36pm)
Hey raynor I've been diligently following the workout you laid out for me as well as my swim schedule and I'm definitely seeing some improvements. Thank you so much for that! I just have one more question though. I've never taken any protein supplements before but was considering maybe just taking some protein possibly at night after my final workout/ swim practice (3day split lifting when I don't lift I swim at night). I usually just drink 2 cups of skim milk after but was wondering if I would see any extra benefits in taking the extra protein.

Or would there be a more recommended time of day I take it? Or should I just avoid it.

Goals: drop 3-5 more lbs
Swim faster (mid distance)
Get stronger if I can



Definitely

I would remove the skim milk all together and substitute with a 40g whey protein shake mixed with water.

Try Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex Natural or NOW! Whey Isolate.
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Oct 31 2012 08:32pm
Quote (TempoONE @ Oct 31 2012 10:26pm)
Raynor,

I plan on cutting come January.  I've bulked for 8 months, and when January comes will have more than 12 months of solid strength training under my belt.  I'd like to know your opinion on doing hypertrophy while cutting?  Would you recommend this?  If no,  can you give me an alternate recommendation? My goals now is to gain mass, and have definition, to be more specific, I want to get bigger.  Shoulders the size of dwight howard for example.


I would stick to a solid cutting plan like this one:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=304396247
Cutting Workout Routine (6 day all equipment)


And then start hypertrophy on your next bulking cycle to really maximize your gains.
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Oct 31 2012 08:49pm
what about doing hypertrophy first, and then cut?


Also, on a different note, I'm currently already doing db shoulder press, and i was saving the OHP/military press for when i start hypertrophy. Does it make sense if I do it now? Should they be on the same day or different day?

This post was edited by TempoONE on Oct 31 2012 08:55pm
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