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Jan 6 2012 08:32pm
Quote (carteblanche @ Jan 6 2012 09:33pm)
whats the difference between a lean bulk and standard bulk apart from the macros? i'm doing the 5x5 as a beginner. for a while i was going heavy on protein shakes with 40/40/20, but now i'm trying to add meat. i gain some fat so i'm looking to try the lean bulk whenever my rice cooker arrives

5'10, 190 lbs, BMR 2000
total day's food:
1 vpx zero impact bar
3 protein shakes (1.5 scoops per)
1/2 cup oats
3 cups brown rice + soy sauce / hot sauce
1.5 lbs chicken breast
steamed brocoli/peas
(note: there is no olive oil to preserve lean bulk macros)

assuming my math is right, that's  2500 Cal, 42g fat, 219g  carbs, 302g protein, which is 50% protein 36% carbs 15% fat with some rounding.

is this preferred instead of standard bulk? the protein seems a bit high (190 * 1.5 = 285)


also, since you created another compiled list, can you add a beginner's guide to it? when i started i relied on these compilations but i felt certain things were missing/hiding. in particular:
1. beginners should start with 5x5 and not hypertrophy/cutting. for 1 year i think, but i'm not 100% sure
2. cycle between workout plans every 2-4 months (5x5/cut/5x5/cut/etc)
3. when using 5x5, do all the 5x5 before doing 5x8-12. (your arms guide is out of order which i didn't know until someone asked about it)



Hey there.

I would recommend changing your macros a bit.

Increase fat to 65g, decrease protein to 225g (you want to do 1.5 g per pound of LEAN body weight, not total body weight) - carbs can go up or down by around 25g depending on a workout day or not.


Remember, on workout days you need about 500 cals more than on non-workout days. 2,500 cals = workout days for you and 2,000 cals should be non-workout days.

Reduce carbs on non-workout days as well.



Lastly, in regard to creating a beginners guide, I will definitely do that and when I post it, I will let you know.



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Jan 7 2012 12:51am
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you should sticky this or if its possible add it to your first post
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Jan 7 2012 04:07pm
hey raynor
I find working out shoulders as most painful workout. is it normal? its only painful during the workout not after
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hey raynor
I find working out shoulders as most painful workout. is it normal? its only painful during the workout not after


What do you mean by painful?

As in the normal burning like other workouts but just more severe??? Or pain as in...like there is an injury?
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Jan 7 2012 07:33pm
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What do you mean by painful?

As in the normal burning like other workouts but just more severe??? Or pain as in...like there is an injury?


I dont believe its injury, ya burning is a lot more severe when I do shoulder press, side raises
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Jan 7 2012 07:56pm
I may have a tear in my tendon around my shoulder. Do tendons generally heal on their own? I've heard that tendons do not heal :(. I've done physical therapy and it helped the surrounding muscles but not tendon, I still get a sharp pain sometimes.
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Jan 7 2012 08:06pm
Do you recommend or have a preferred website to calculate Calorie intake etc?

Also I know you always recommend NOW! supps for fish oils and multis
but is there really a difference in brand?

What should I be looking for in a good multi/fish oil?

Also question #853
Going to start doing the ol' 10x10 GVT

Been looking at a few different splits and was wondering if you had a recommendation for me to look at as well.
Thanks m8!


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Jan 7 2012 11:09pm
Quote (Improv @ Jan 7 2012 09:33pm)
I dont believe its injury, ya burning is a lot more severe when I do shoulder press, side raises


That's fairly normal. As long as you don't have pain you will be fine - no worries.
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Jan 7 2012 11:12pm
Quote (Wamuu @ Jan 7 2012 09:56pm)
I may have a tear in my tendon around my shoulder. Do tendons generally heal on their own? I've heard that tendons do not heal :(. I've done physical therapy and it helped the surrounding muscles but not tendon, I still get a sharp pain sometimes.


It will heal on its own - it just takes time and effort on your part.

You must rest the area but keep it mobile and lightly stretched. Furthermore you will have to ice the area frequently - 20 mins on 40 mins off about 4 times a day.


edit: I also forgot, anti-inflammatory meds as necessary (ibuprofen) - but don't overdo it!

If you see a doctor they can prescribe a cortisone injection if it's absolutely necessary. Phys-therapy is good, but not a full solution to the healing process.

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Jan 7 2012 11:28pm
Quote (Rickor @ Jan 7 2012 10:06pm)
Do you recommend or have a preferred website to calculate Calorie intake etc?

Also I know you always recommend NOW! supps for fish oils and multis
but is there really a difference in brand?

What should I be looking for in a good multi/fish oil?

Also question #853
Going to start doing the ol' 10x10 GVT

Been looking at a few different splits and was wondering if you had a recommendation for me to look at as well.
Thanks m8!




This one is pretty good, but there are dozens like it.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthtool-food-calorie-counter


Yes there is a difference in brands. Some brands are unsubstantiated and thus make claims without being analyzed by independent laboratories. As a result, you may be buying a placebo instead of an actual supplement. I go with companies that have proven over the years to be legit.

NOW! is my favorite, but I also like Twinlab, Optimum Nutrition, and Solaray.


As for a good fish oil and EFA product, I like to look for a complete omega 3-6-9 with a good ratio. Find NOW! Super Omega 3-6-9 and if you MUST - then find a comparable supplement to that.


I don't understand your last question...are you asking me for a 10x10 GVT sample workout routine? Or just the type of split to be doing with it?
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