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Dec 9 2020 12:38am
Quote (SBD @ Dec 9 2020 12:36am)
An area that I haven't explored yet is art, collectibles, and other works of art or other that appreciate in value.

I started looking you can buy portions, much like a share and companies will hold the art for appreciation then resell in x years distributing the appreciation and your initial return.

There is a lock up period where you can't withdraw your money but there's a secondary market for the shares so you could just sell your portion on that market if you needed to exit early.

You can look at the history of say a painter and look to see how past works have appreciated.

Things like this don't typically tank when a market tanks since the market is the ultra rich. An interesting hedge and pretty interesting to browse.


Avoid art. Its all money laundering.

Unless you have an in to know which artist is getting pumped to up the value of a collection for said laundering.
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Dec 9 2020 01:34am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 9 2020 02:38am)
Avoid art. Its all money laundering.

the value of art is decided by
- 1 - the beholder
- 2- the seller
and number three the ego
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Dec 9 2020 08:39am
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Avoid art. Its all money laundering.

Unless you have an in to know which artist is getting pumped to up the value of a collection for said laundering.


I could see this. It came up honestly because a co-worker and I talk about random market related topics. He had stated his returns on art related investments had exceeded the S&P over the years. I have no reason to believe he is lying nor does that make me want to invest blindly.

From a logical standpoint it makes sense. Specialize in finding, restoring or have access to a market a normal person wouldn't have, hold and sell for appreciation. Of course, you won't have money to initially buy that thing so you syndicate it.

I can also see the logic behind it being a good method to launder money since the value does not have a metric to assess it and is determined by what a buyer is willing to pay, each piece of art is "unique" and thus there is no benchmark necessarily of what a piece should cost making it easy to justify prices and thus launder mass amounts of money.

Fun to browse though. If I had just held on to some of those TCG cards..

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Dec 9 2020 08:48am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 9 Dec 2020 00:53)
You really should, especially if you are outside the US. You could also look over the current order book to place buy or sell orders just above or below others :) And work in some advanced stop loss logic. My algorithm works well, but the commodity pair needs to have good volume or it won't even consider it.

If you are US based, things are getting worse. Binance has cracked down on US. They give us a watered down exchange. Meanwhile. Canadians can go nuts with crypto with low tax.

USA based so yeah, getting tougher to do anything but hodl and manually trade lmao

fortunately i got used to the manual process years ago trading eth and btc against each other but yeah
Quote (SBD @ 9 Dec 2020 01:36)
An area that I haven't explored yet is art, collectibles, and other works of art or other that appreciate in value.

I started looking, you can buy portions, much like a share and companies will hold the art for appreciation then resell in x years distributing the appreciation and your initial investment.

There is a lock up period where you can't withdraw your money but there's a secondary market for the shares so you could just sell your portion on that market if you needed to exit early.

You can look at the history of say a painter and look to see how past works have appreciated.

Things like this don't typically tank when a market tanks since the market is the ultra rich. An interesting hedge and pretty interesting to browse.

i got a buddy who does this, although his first investment was in a pair of michael jordan gameworn shoes lol (think the first ever pair of air jordans)

an older acquaintance has been investing in shares of facilities that are thriving now (one is storage). requires a decent amount initial investment (one share could be $10k+) but they’re all cash-flow positive and often get bought out or acquired at a good multiple.

id love to see someone figure out a reit that is based on valuation of residential real estate or something like that. commercial real estate is screwed for a while until people figure out the best balance moving forward for work. my company has been remote since march, has several offers from companies to sublease its corporate office, and has no timetable on moving offices.
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Dec 9 2020 05:22pm
powerful words and thoughts
investigating further.
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Dec 9 2020 05:26pm
Quote (SBD @ Dec 9 2020 08:39am)
I could see this. It came up honestly because a co-worker and I talk about random market related topics. He had stated his returns on art related investments had exceeded the S&P over the years. I have no reason to believe he is lying nor does that make me want to invest blindly.

From a logical standpoint it makes sense. Specialize in finding, restoring or have access to a market a normal person wouldn't have, hold and sell for appreciation. Of course, you won't have money to initially buy that thing so you syndicate it.

I can also see the logic behind it being a good method to launder money since the value does not have a metric to assess it and is determined by what a buyer is willing to pay, each piece of art is "unique" and thus there is no benchmark necessarily of what a piece should cost making it easy to justify prices and thus launder mass amounts of money.

Fun to browse though. If I had just held on to some of those TCG cards..


U know those guaranteed gyrados we all got in those 8$ packs pokemon packs

Worth 4 figures now

Giving my pokemon cards to my younger cousin for him to ruin is one of the worst investment decisions I made in my life. I had a lot of the first generation cards and multiple first edition very good quality holos
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Dec 9 2020 05:33pm
Quote (Bazi @ 9 Dec 2020 18:26)
U know those guaranteed gyrados we all got in those 8$ packs pokemon packs

Worth 4 figures now

Giving my pokemon cards to my younger cousin for him to ruin is one of the worst investment decisions I made in my life. I had a lot of the first generation cards and multiple first edition very good quality holos


make sure that's on your tinder profile
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Quote (Bazi @ Dec 9 2020 05:26pm)
U know those guaranteed gyrados we all got in those 8$ packs pokemon packs

Worth 4 figures now

Giving my pokemon cards to my younger cousin for him to ruin is one of the worst investment decisions I made in my life. I had a lot of the first generation cards and multiple first edition very good quality holos


I'm selling my yugioh cards on the subreddit right now.

I have a lot of cards that would be worth $50-100 but they have a bend or something in them. Nothing exceptional, but it took the collection from maybe $5000 to $1000.

My wife swears she had a first magician original print dark magician girl and I'm like god damn that would have bought us a house, or at least made a substantial down payment.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 9 2020 06:22pm
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Dec 9 2020 06:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 9 2020 06:21pm)
I'm selling my yugioh cards on the subreddit right now.

I have a lot of cards that would be worth $50-100 but they have a bend or something in them. Nothing exceptional, but it took the collection from maybe $5000 to $1000.

My wife swears she had a first magician original print dark magician girl and I'm like god damn that would have bought us a house, or at least made a substantial down payment.



Man i had all the OG dragons and a first edition blue eyes white dragon. Def none were mint
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Quote (Bazi @ Dec 9 2020 06:28pm)
Man i had all the OG dragons and a first edition blue eyes white dragon. Def none were mint


I got briefly back into collecting a few years ago. Something I noticed is I made money from all the first edition merch that I bought. If you are able to find and buy first Edition stuff and preserve it then you will likely make your money back if you are buying whole boxes. The problem with that though is the merchandise that will become valuable is also highly sought-after. One of the boxes I made money on I could only find two first edition at the time because they were so in demand
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