Quote (peterqwer @ Dec 11 2021 12:57pm)

Thanks, I only have a lvl 5 warhammer as far as heavies go, I guess that's useless then. So in groups don't use on striking abilities? I'm on my third climb and never did fully with a group so I always ended up with the single target one. I found a 38 dex armor, before that the reason I was going ee was just I didn't really have good stat armors.

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 11 2021 01:04pm)

lets get to the point here, why are you playing? fun? gain forum gold? drops?

The drop rate on group whistle climbs is garbage, we do it not needing the drops as we already have the gear.
People whom are hunting for gear are doing solo explore.

Also your sword is an extremely rare drop by the way, can go 30 solo climbs easily without finding as good of a drop as that. Can go 400 group climbs without seeing a drop that good also.

Quote (izParagonzi @ 11 Dec 2021 01:11)

Just check the abilities... if using EE weapon, Stat Armor and Stat main charm (Ideally group oriented that has a tanker already), so you would use "on striking / hit" abilities.

Now SOLO can be the same, AS LONG as you plan on using Heal (Salvation)... BUT, BUT, the norm is using EE Armor and on striking / to hit abilities like Power Strike etc.



He is actually an old player that only frequents LS occasionally if I remember correctly... discussed things with him when he started.

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 10 2021 06:11pm)

In short
lots to do with crit chance and also to do with weapons having ratio's whilst 100% of int goes into damage. Also a little bit to do with how quickly the abilities charge up.

In length
Rough crit chances per weapon:
club/dagger ~1%
sword/staff ~3%
axe ~10%
Casting ~25-33%

For damage ratio's:
To understand what i mean by damage increase check this topic: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84442301&f=74&o=20 basically for ratio's sometimes adding to strength/dex will not add damage to your melee weapon.

Clubs/Daggers are 90/10, this is pretty good, but when you're using 200 strength, this is still 20 damage increases which is lost and very minimal damage gained from the 10% side.
Swords/Staffs are 75/25, this is pretty bad, when using 200 strength you lose 50 or so damage increases, gain a little bit from the 25% side, but seeing you don't stat that side not a lot.
Axes are 50/50 this is bad but allows for much more flexible gear. Use your highest stat gear!
Casting is pure int so 100% is gained.


So a generally decent place to use an ability in groups is around the 40% mark.
For charges on damage taken abilities, only gain 8% Needs to trigger for 5 times before 40%, used on Revenge/wildswing
For charges on weapon damage dealt, they gain 10%, needs to trigger 4 times before 40%
For charges on casting damage dealt, they gain 12.5%, needs to trigger only 3 times as 37% is close enough

So add it all up and casting generally does pretty well.

Quote (SZSZ @ Dec 11 2021 04:17pm)

This is great! Very clear. This info should be stickied somewhere if not already.

Quote (LRQ @ Dec 10 2021 05:00pm)

1 healer 1 tanker 3 DPS and whistle all the way

Quote (Outraged @ Dec 11 2021 04:45pm)

Yes this is speed climbing at its finest. But there's always exploring. Which is nice to have maybe 1 more dps be a hybrid healer

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 10 2021 10:51pm)

Basically it is the Group dynamics vs your own fun playing Ladder Slasher.

You want to just get to MQ... then just Whistle and fuck the drops.
You want to gain rewards from Objectives and also have a 1% chance to gain a better item (sell or use)... then explore.

It isn't fucking rocket science... you just play to the mentality of a bot going from A - Z (MQ) or actually have fun exploring.

DoH... Homer Simpson wins again.

Quote (Outraged @ Dec 11 2021 04:53pm)

I'm a fan of the old ways. I want EPs and objectives. But if I'm with my friends I just do whatever. I prefer explore but I don't mind speed climbs if they wanna