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Dec 13 2021 11:47am
When a scammer start to scam his short mission will be to scam as many users as possible before he get caught

My idea would be that as soon a user is linked or tagged in the SA his profile show a ' warning ' or anything easily seen and that warning only mean to be careful and not give first to this user until the problem in SA is resolved.

- if people try to troll or joke about it and post without valid reason to attack someone you just show them there is no place for that. So i don't think there much place for abusing after a couple of clowns get warned.

Anyway a warning does not mean the user cant trade , he can still get a mediator or give first. Most cases in SA get resolved in few hours top so having a wrong warning tag doesn't make much of a deal as it get removed asap

here a example where the first scammer accusation post was made at :42 then the next one at :56 and the next one :06 2 people wouldn't have got scammed here with the ' warning tag '







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Dec 13 2021 12:09pm
Hi THC,

The only issue I see with this is some people will be flagged for being completely innocent, user's can use this to their advantage to flag users on a constant basis.

We shouldn't warn or flag users for being innocent, the current system works in a way where if there are multiple accusations, the accuser is suspended pending further investigation.

I do, and would love to see a change that will help reduce scamming on jsp, but the reality is the best way to reduce scams or to limit damage done is by getting a mediator for your trades.

Past S/A recommendations have not been implemented mainly due to the above point. I hope to see something like this get implemented in a similar way, perhaps 3-4 accusations = a flag instantly put on the user?

Thank you for the suggestion btw
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Dec 13 2021 12:10pm
It’s not necessary. It will get abused by other users and wouldn’t be fair to label innocent users.

Always use a mediator, it's fast, free and secure: https://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=11

You can always use the search feature that is in the scammer accusation forum as well.
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Dec 13 2021 01:51pm
I'd rather see people being more careful instead of any babysitting.
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Dec 13 2021 08:36pm
Voted No:
Personally I don't ever see this happening as many similar suggestions have been posted here over the years and none have been implemented but who knows anything is possible.

Reason For No Vote:
Imagine the damage someone could do to an innocent person's reputation for both malicious or unintened reasons. While what you said is often true that the false accusations get reported, addressed, and closed fairly quickly. However that is not always the case and some must remain open for days or even up to a week before they can be verified and determined by only a very select few Moderators. For this reason alone I don't see it happening but lets think one step further if you are still intrested in my opinion...

Extra Example:
If you were to go offline and i report you for a scam you had nothing to do with. When you return you noticed you have been removed from your guild due to having a big scammer alert located in your profile and your guild does not want to risk having someone like that inside. Then a month later your name is cleared but the damage has already been done to your reputation and account. Perhaps you have been a Ladder Slasher player in that guild since 2008 and you had 400+ guild points, those are gone all because i reported you for a scam while you were offline and hsd nothing to do with. Why did i so this you might ask? Because someone on battle.net sent me a message and i didn't know well enough to confirm your identify here before i gave my item to this imposter. Now what happens, the victim in this example thought he was scammed by you and posted all of the "proof" that was asked by him in his SA topic and the moderators needed more time to figure out if it was you so the topic remained open for a week or maybe even longer.


Sorry for the wall of text:
It was the best way I could explain how this suggestion might end up have massively negative repercussions for innocent users and victims alike as well as increase the demand on SA resources in the process while offering very little positive in return for the possible risk.

These are my thoughts, hope you understand what I meant.
Take care!

This post was edited by ImCam on Dec 13 2021 08:48pm
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Dec 13 2021 09:01pm
Would be cool if we knew that it wouldn't be something people take advantage of. Ultimately (imo) it would be another task s/a has to worry about/upkeep during times like these when there's already a lot of s/a's.

But I like the idea of it.
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Dec 13 2021 09:08pm
thanks you all for answering and giving opinion.



it seems all the bad opinion about it are because of the potential people who could ruin someone reputation or joke about it.

I would like to clarify that this doesn't mean its a scammer tag or anything bad neither it will keep trace or truly affect someone image , its temporary before you get back to normal or you get tag as scammer.

Lets say someone tag me as a mean gesture to affect me. Whats a tag saying ' be careful ' or something similar next to my name for the next 6-12hours or even 24hour? I can still request a med or give first if i feel its safe and everyone can go on SA and see the thread for themself and use logic.

The SA team is exceptional they know what they are doing and they don't get fooled around. I see 3 type of possible SA

- the real victim
- the confused or lost who didn't mean bad but was in the wrong of posting.
- the troll

I think mod are smart in a way that they would categorize correctly the op in one of those 3 category and in the case of troll I think measure should be take like warn or suspension , second time extremely severe measure.

So many time if you check SA you will see people getting scam by the same user as the few other post right before and that what I am trying to protect here. Yes people should use med and be careful etc but that doesn't mean everyone getting scam is stupid
yes a lot of people are lacking logic and are not careful enough and they should use mediator but my idea would make it a safer place for those persons who are not totally aware and logic when it come to tradings. Some of them might be kids fresh from D2R or some people who obviously had all the reason to trust someone but without knowing that person was going down as a scammer and trying to bring as many stolen items he can before he get locked.

In All my times here i barely ever use a med and I never got scammed and maybe once i got my name tag in as a troll or confused SA i don't remember exactly. This is not even useful for me but I though it was good for others.


I think we should focus more on the positive it could do than the bullshit that can be done by it. Its nothing bad to have a warning sign next to your name even if you don't deserve it if its only for 24hour. Nobody will judge you by this as it would mean you were cleared.

I understand its more work for a couple of persons but I just though it was a good idea
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Dec 14 2021 02:22am
Hey THCHunter,

I agree with the above stated comments. This would be a damaging experience for the wrongly accused people, and can hurt their ability to conduct trades for no valid reason.
A friend of mine on the forum was already accused once wrongly due to the scammer impersonating him. If the proposed idea were to be implemented in an automatic way - it would definitely be a damaging experience for many people. and it would undoubtedly get abused.

Most of the topics, proposing ideas of this nature didn't get implemeted. This is the last one that I saw, regarding locking the accused people's gold:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90350363&f=258

I have to respectfully disagree with your idea.
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Dec 14 2021 10:45am
Quote (TonyZD2R @ Dec 14 2021 03:22am)
Hey THCHunter,

I agree with the above stated comments. This would be a damaging experience for the wrongly accused people, and can hurt their ability to conduct trades for no valid reason.
A friend of mine on the forum was already accused once wrongly due to the scammer impersonating him. If the proposed idea were to be implemented in an automatic way - it would definitely be a damaging experience for many people. and it would undoubtedly get abused.

Most of the topics, proposing ideas of this nature didn't get implemeted. This is the last one that I saw, regarding locking the accused people's gold:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90350363&f=258

I have to respectfully disagree with your idea.


thanks for replying , I think all of you overestimate the effect of a warning sign would have on your account and the ability to trades

- it does not prevent you from trading , its just a red light that tell people they should go take a look at ur SA and see what up and proceed with caution , mediator are still allowed to med for those tag

i strongly disagree that being tag as a ' warning ' for a short period of time will in any way affect someone respect and image in this site.

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Quote (THCHunter @ Dec 14 2021 11:45am)
thanks for replying , I think all of you overestimate the effect of a warning sign would have on your account and the ability to trades

- it does not prevent you from trading , its just a red light that tell people they should go take a look at ur SA and see what up and proceed with caution , mediator are still allowed to med for those tag

i strongly disagree that being tag as a ' warning ' for a short period of time will in any way affect someone respect and image in this site.


a simple way to never get scammed is to use a mediator.

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