Then again it depends on the content and intent you're replying with, for example:

If a user is replying "lol not worth it rip off, 10 fg no spam" in a listing that was priced clearly with starting bid: 500 bin:1000 then that should be considered spam as they're being distruptive and obviously isn't interested in bidding on an item.

This bot need to be reprogrammed because the correct information is found in post #9



To OP:
1. Never

2. Agree, but then that may breed trolls coming in and low balling with bullshit and blowing up topics to try to drive down prices or target someone they do not like. There is no correct answer to this question as both ways will have their pros and cons. It’s really just about what’s the less of the evils and cleaner trade topics make it easy for moderators to manage and sort through.

This post was edited by Greater on Jul 22 2022 04:44am

Ya'll are a bit too rough towards Krawk. In the other thread, you guys bashed him because he used the word "containerization" or whatever. Then now, he's a "bot".

And several months ago, a user who I'm not going to name, gaslit a moderator to call him out publicly. You guys should leave him alone, FFS.

English is not even his native language

I agree with you. I ignore pm offers cause of your top QUOTE. I have full discussions on my thread

I agree. Context does matter. But now I just got pm'd "Will you take this item plus fg for your item?" Why is this occurring in PM for? It's not as though it needs to. An offer, can go in thread.



Yes, context matters. I think the correct answer is that we've somehow allowed ourselves to become a bid culture. But this isn't an online store. We discuss here. "Cut the spam" is an excuse. It's a way to attempt to enforce fake rules that never existed so that the items value isn't discussed. "Bids only" was never the spirit of JSP. Not ever.




slippery slope is a strong way to look at it. Discussing the item, the price, the value ect isn't a "price check" if it's a FT or ISO thread. It's simply discussing. Sellers are not businesses here. They're personal 1 to 1 transactions. Let's be real. We run yard sales here. lol.

C/o is 1k via pm, nty

some great points in here!

-discussions about the value of the item would be great. better for the seller getting exposure, better for the buyer not getting ripped off, and better for everyone if there is some niche case for an item with high value that someone without that understanding may have otherwise deleted.

-the "paid post" crowd telling you to buzz off if you say anything other than a bid is super elitist, but i do see some correlation to the crowd of folks with really low fg trying to get their stuff sold before a thread hits the limit and gets blocked.

-the PM business is super annoying and sure, i have gotten offers via PM, BUT i do see where that could be problematic and/or feed into these FT or ISO threads where you get flamed for anything other than a bid and its 9 pages of "Bump"

MY SUGGESTION:
remove the comment/post limit on trade threads. regardless of if there is some ambiguity of spam, you have an infinite amount of room to get your trade to happen. enjoy the free bumps.

ultimately i think the community has largely policed itself for over a decade and created a lot of these arbitrary rules, and the trade forums deserve a change like this and a "must-read" sticky to get people back up to speed if there is any chance at getting any of this to change.

If you get pm'd an offer, simply redirect them to your post and tell them to post their offers in your thread.

Beside the legalities of negotiating a trade via pm, 99.9% of the time if you accept a private offer you're not getting the maximum value for the item that you're listing, if offers for your listed item(s) are posted clearly in the thread then naturally someone else who is interested in your item will have to outbid the highest offer that you've received in your thread thus you'd always have a chance of obtaining better offers.

Secondly, if a mediator is needed for a trade then it is required that both traders (buyer & seller) have posted in the trade thread and the trading terms should be listed clearly as well in the topic.

Accepting a PM offer is almost a "no good and all bad" situation.

In theory it sounds that simple but look at this thread. The seller luckily forwarded the PM to me, so I was able to call the person out blatantly. But after breaking the trade rules by pm bidding "beat it" and "stop whining" were the responses.

The seller even told me afterward, he was still pming bidding but I already BIN the item so the seller didn't BM me. This truly needs to be reviewed. it's happening way more than staff probably thinks it is.

Pming is such a problem now that you will see "c/o by pm...." I even see people say "What's BIN?" then you will see "Pm'd" Why is this happening? Why not just be transparent and post the BIN in thread rather than PM it 1 on 1? It's happening so much and it's frustrating as a buyer or seller.

Pming for a BIN is commonplace and more the rule than an exception. It's happening consistently & frequently. I want a discussion with staff to happen please. I can provide and track more examples (that I'm not even a part of) if needed.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=95966134&f=271

Well you have every right to not acknowledge the "PM offers" that the seller claims to have received when partcipating in a bid, personally when I encounter any manner of BM or unorthodox trading I will back out of the trade and retract my offers.

Unfortunately not every trader likes to play fair and be transparent, if everyone does their part in not encouraging trades via PM then there'll be less of that happening.