I have seen several topics that have this practice and it always cracks me up. Specially when I'm offering on an item and I get told, "Oh I got a person PM'ing me stating they are over your C/O would you like to counter?" meanwhile nothing is done on actual posting... they just wanna keep it to the pm's....

On big ticket items, I always refer my buyers to post on post to keep it transparent. I do lowkey wish some of this stuff was able to be reported vs just being able to troll their post and call them out on it then get hit with a spam notice from the mods. Just curious to what some of y'all think on the matter.

Technically speaking trading via pm's are actually breaking forum rules, but i feel folks are more apt to make a post to lure, then try to keep it to the pm's and hope someone dont catch on to the scheme and post it publically. Tho i gotta say, i'm all for that shyte, expose them for BM! I feel its a borderline scam tbh...

You can just leave your offer and move on.

i always tell pm'ers to post on topic or ill ignore them haha
i agree with you

No.

If you don’t know the value of your item. It is your fault.

This forum isn’t a live auction.

thanks for sharing your opinion, but thats not related to the situation OP explained



im on your side for the simple reason that the admins decided to make a rule but dont care about it themselves

I type facts.

And yes it is the situation.

The OP wants everything public so that he doesn’t get ththe bad end of a trade. This is due to people not knowing prices or usefulness of pvp items.

There is nothing wrong with PM offers. Most high end items are sold this way.

Lol the thing I find interesting is how you can presume what I would want. My original statement is about transparency.. if I put a package up for sell, and state open to offers, and don't originally put a bin/reserve then state in the post or even message the current highest offers that im receiving pm's and for them to counter (all the while nothing is reflected on post) or stating om receiving a current offer higher than what any current offer are in hopes to get more closer to what I was hoping, you are creating a shadow war... this was to simply get folks perspective and jnput... I simply post my offers, or pm if they have a bin in mind and proceed accordingly. I prefer to keep my posts on their posts but occasionally do pm. Rarely do I pm folks about items without posting my offer unless it's to ask for specifics about the item they haven't listed. Also there are instances where they do try a auction base offer system and still try to do shadow bids. I always encourage newcomers to jsp to research the market. When selling an item search for it. Get a base price based on listed pricing, and sell pricing. Also based on stats too. But that doesn't account for the low ballin mofos too and those who try to manipulate the market buying up all the goods then holding a corner of it and or flooding the market with certain stuff to drop the prices within a day. All I'm stating is what's wrong with having open post transparency.. I feel the ones who stick to the pm's are the ones who owe folks fg and don't want to be seen buying stuff when they owe bnp loan sharks lmao

It's up to the seller. d2jsp is not a live auction website and there are no rules about this. Even the "rule" you stated that's listed in the d2jsp rules isn't an actual rule because it's not enforced by d2jsp, and this is done on purpose. D2jsp have stated more than once that it's only there in the rules to try and prevent people from doing PM trades for the simple purpose of them not being able to effectively assist you if you get scammed via PM (it's harder to prove if a scam occurred privately vs publicly). You're allowed to do PM trades, and as someone else stated, many of D2r's best items are sold privately anyway (and not even on d2jsp at all).

That being said, people that take PM offers often shoot themselves in the foot by doing so. Oftentimes they don't know the value of their own item for some reason, and someone PM snipes it from them for way too cheap as a result. I'm inclined to blame the seller in this case for not educating themselves on the value of their item and for accepting a PM offer. Alternatively, people don't like engaging in these "shadow auctions" so people who accept PM offers are doing themselves a disservice by taking bids by PM. Oftentimes bidders will get upset and say "well I don't wanna bid via PM so I retract" and then the seller loses out on potential offers this way. But again it's their choice, no point in commenting about it further

This post was edited by Koston on Mar 13 2024 05:46pm

So after reading you're response, you completely missed my initial point... this post has NOTHING to do with the seller not knowing the price of their item,items etc... and to go even further with stating there are tons of auction style posts on here..... Now back to my original statement... What i'm referring to specifically... Say you are selling a whole toon... you don't put ANY bin/res.... you get a starting offer of 1k, then 2k... You already have an idea of wanting closer to 5k! Now your toon may be worth every bit of that 5k... So then you state, "I have gotten a pm offer of 4k via pm" even tho YOU NEVER DID.... you would simply be trying to escalate their offers to where you was wanting it.. so you then put a bin of 5/6k (which ever you'd like for your own thought on this scenario okay?) and a res of 4k, and that you'd sell within 30 mins... Now this creates a false sence of urgency that they then have 30 mins to bid/bin this item or they lose it.. But the thing is, they aren't actually gonna lose it because you essentially shot yourself in the foot... You then begin messaging the other folks who offer creating a sense of shadow wars with a bidder that is just simply you creating false offers/counter offers to simply try and get them closer to your overall goal. This type of action should essentially be a scam, specially if someone brings it to the post publically because they notice the stuff isn't simply adding up. specially if the package should've already been sold after the 30 mins that has gone by but you're still actively seeking a buyer.

You an the other person are stating how high ticket items are sold, i'm already aware of this. I personally have no issue with selling via pm, or even linking in a game and do a trade with some freshly found loot and someone happens to have a jsp in game and offers you some fg for it. This happens to me quite often when i'm running chaos games for public. I don't mind that, thats not what this post is specifically about... You are just missing the overall point. I'm not ignorant on the rules either because i've had to go thru them on several occasions to make sure my own self was covered and that i wasn't actually breaking forum rulings after being told I was. What you're claiming isn't actually a rule, well hate to tell ya buddy, it is... anything written in that forum rule is actually a rule for the forum.. Now whether or not its heavily enforced is a seperate matter.... I've seen many a S/A threads involving Discord/JSP pm's in and resulting in the accused being banned, even tho it states no trading via pm's. Its more on how much proof you have, but again thsi is a seperate matter than of what i'm originally talking about...

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