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Quote (Subwoofer @ Mar 4 2022 11:57am)
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56563689&f=208 rules for this subforum

https://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=6 trade rules

"Do not use false advertising to describe an item. For example, if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be described as legit/perm/whatever else you may use to imply the same meaning."

Meaning you must disclose if an item is duped or a dupe method is used.


No? Are you incapable of reading?

Do not use false advertising to describe an item. For example, if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be described as legit/perm/whatever else you may use to imply the same meaning. <--- Does not mean I need to tell someone anything, I just can't describe a duped item as something it is not. I don't need to say it's duped. It is known in ANY single player game that has client sided files that some people can do things to the save file or just load from a back up save. This is a known thing therefore does not need to be described as such. I just can't falsely advertise as "I legit farmed these things 100%" etc. That would be false advertising.
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Mar 4 2022 12:04pm
Quote (Zepal @ Mar 4 2022 12:02pm)
No? Are you incapable of reading?

Do not use false advertising to describe an item. For example, if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be described as legit/perm/whatever else you may use to imply the same meaning. <--- Does not mean I need to tell someone anything, I just can't describe a duped item as something it is not. I don't need to say it's duped. It is known in ANY single player game that has client sided files that some people can do things to the save file or just load from a back up save. This is a known thing therefore does not need to be described as such. I just can't falsely advertise as "I legit farmed these things 100%" etc. That would be false advertising.


Quote (Zepal @ Mar 3 2022 09:05pm)
How does that change the fact that they're getting the items? Also that's not what I'm doing at all. Kindly thank you not to spam my topic, for an account this old, you should definitely know better.


Remember how in your thread you weren't duping the items?

Now you admit that you do.

That's a rule violation.
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Quote (Zepal @ Mar 4 2022 01:02pm)
No? Are you incapable of reading?

Do not use false advertising to describe an item. For example, if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be described as legit/perm/whatever else you may use to imply the same meaning. <--- Does not mean I need to tell someone anything, I just can't describe a duped item as something it is not. I don't need to say it's duped. It is known in ANY single player game that has client sided files that some people can do things to the save file or just load from a back up save. This is a known thing therefore does not need to be described as such. I just can't falsely advertise as "I legit farmed these things 100%" etc. That would be false advertising.


In regards to elden ring

Depends on how much.. or rather in your case... how little integrity you possess.

You should admit when sellling dupes. Because if not youre aiming to take advantage of people before they find out there is mass dupe method.

That is completely frowned upon by anyone with a conscience

This post was edited by zNick on Mar 4 2022 12:15pm
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Quote (Subwoofer @ Mar 4 2022 12:04pm)
Remember how in your thread you weren't duping the items?

Now you admit that you do.

That's a rule violation.


I said I wasn't alt+f4ing to keep the items and that's true, I am making a copy of the save file on my end. I still had to get all these items myself legitimately I'm just not losing them after I trade because of the backed up save file. Also nowhere in my thread did I advertise the items as duped or not duped. Just the items. You really don't understand what false advertising means do you? You just read something, place your own definition on it, and regardless of what anyone else says or the actual definition of the word, only your definition actually matters.

I'm sure you reported the post and it's still up, because the moderators and site admins actually have this organ called a brain and it's not as smooth as yours. They actually use this organ to know what "False Advertising" means. The people buying items from me also understand what it is, they're paying for security and convenience. They don't want to go through the trouble of joining a friend's game, dropping items, then reloading their save, and getting those items back. The amount of time this takes is quite consuming, and it is 100% allowable by the game company and this is done by design. From Soft could have easily made the saves purely server sided. They didn't and have never done so from their Armored Core days.


Also people aren't dumb, they know exactly what they're buying. It is fully understood that items can be duped or whatever in this game by simply backing up your save file and dropping the items to your friend or even if you had another PC in your house and you did this. That's why in that same line it is said "if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be DESCRIBED as legit. (Keyword is capitalized). Runes and items are known to be duped, I just can't describe it as anything else but I don't need to disclose it either. Notice how there's no rule that says "YOU MUST DISCLOSE IT IS DUPED" only that I can't DESCRIBE it as legit.

Imagine having to teach you what words mean.
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Mar 4 2022 12:23pm
Quote (Zepal @ Mar 4 2022 12:14pm)
I said I wasn't alt+f4ing to keep the items and that's true, I am making a copy of the save file on my end. I still had to get all these items myself legitimately I'm just not losing them after I trade because of the backed up save file. Also nowhere in my thread did I advertise the items as duped or not duped. Just the items. You really don't understand what false advertising means do you? You just read something, place your own definition on it, and regardless of what anyone else says or the actual definition of the word, only your definition actually matters.

I'm sure you reported the post and it's still up, because the moderators and site admins actually have this organ called a brain and it's not as smooth as yours. They actually use this organ to know what "False Advertising" means. The people buying items from me also understand what it is, they're paying for security and convenience. They don't want to go through the trouble of joining a friend's game, dropping items, then reloading their save, and getting those items back. The amount of time this takes is quite consuming, and it is 100% allowable by the game company and this is done by design. From Soft could have easily made the saves purely server sided. They didn't and have never done so from their Armored Core days.


Also people aren't dumb, they know exactly what they're buying. It is fully understood that items can be duped or whatever in this game by simply backing up your save file and dropping the items to your friend or even if you had another PC in your house and you did this. That's why in that same line it is said "if an item is a common dupe and is being sold in mass, it cannot be DESCRIBED as legit. (Keyword is capitalized). Runes and items are known to be duped, I just can't describe it as anything else but I don't need to disclose it either. Notice how there's no rule that says "YOU MUST DISCLOSE IT IS DUPED" only that I can't DESCRIBE it as legit.

Imagine having to teach you what words mean.


I didn't report anything. I informed your victims of the shady practices you were definitely using and not admitting to using in your thread.

If you believe the bold you could of just admitted, but no you tried to hide it after it was mentioned and denied you were using a dupe method.

You are a dishonest trader trying to take advantage of people in a new game. Fact.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Mar 4 2022 12:23pm
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Quote (Zepal @ Mar 4 2022 05:55pm)
But they're not duped, and that rule was made specifically for Diablo 2 in a time where said items would disappear if you did not perm in a game. The item itself is still a unique item, therefore not duped by the conventional meaning of the word. I just reload my save file from before the trade was done.

The rule was made entirely for that purpose, someone with an account from 2005 should know this and not attempt to twist a site rule in such a way that it goes against its original purpose.

Edit: Correction - that site rule was removed and placed specifically in the Diablo 2 sub category now. More proof to my point.


EXACTLY this, stop arguing subwoofer, you are wrong here.
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Quote (kamikaze1988 @ Mar 4 2022 01:17pm)
EXACTLY this, stop arguing subwoofer, you are wrong here.


Good ol logic of "It's not theft, I just borrowed it without asking."
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Quote (kamikaze1988 @ Mar 4 2022 01:17pm)
EXACTLY this, stop arguing subwoofer, you are wrong here.


I stopped responding to him, dude is either mentally ill, a troll, or worse... totally serious. He's probably one of those guys who wants you to play the game naked with only a 2 handed weapon and scoffs at people who use sorceries or incantations in the game. "How dare you play the game the way you want to and using things the developers created to cater to that playstyle" mentality.

Twists things to his own perspective through a series of hoops and flips of mental gymnastics. Christ I feel sorry for anyone in a relationship with someone like this.


I'll end on this being my last response to you Subwoofer.

People aren't stupid and they know EXACTLY what they're buying. I have a purchase order right now for an amount of runes that I can not hold right now without actually reloading my save file, if this person didn't know this wasn't legit, they wouldn't ask for this many runes. You'll see my fg go up in just a bit here as proof to my words, I'm currently at 3152 at the time of this post. I should over double that by the end of the trade. They know. They don't care. This is their choice to pay for this service. You know, the whole freaking point of the entirety this forum was created to cater to.

You were here in 2005. When d2jsp was a BOTTING forum. And people traded items found with the d2jspbot for forum gold because their bot didn't find it or they didn't want to bot. That never removed the value those items held to the people willing to pay. This whole thread is just sad man. In every regard. People are paying for security and convenience. Not for the items. Again, the people buying are totally aware of what is happening and do not care.
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Mar 4 2022 01:35pm
I deny duping items when confronted, then admit that i dupe later.

Got it.
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Quote (Subwoofer @ Mar 4 2022 02:35pm)
I deny duping items when confronted, then admit that i dupe later.

Got it.


This lol
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