Literally the 2 best players at their position

There's a reason we're 19 points clear and don't have a player anywhere near the top scorer charts

probably by watching other leagues as well. he's definitely the best in the PL right now though.

no one in the blundesliga even comes close so don't try it

if you are arguing for ter stegen or courtois i have seen lots of their games and they also aren't as good

i was thinking about ter stegen in particular, yes. imo he's better than alisson, and to claim that neuer for example isn't "even close" is just outright delusional.
don't get me wrong, i think alisson is up there amongst the best, but nowhere as convincing a case as could be made for van dijk for example.

alisson has flaws (like his poor footwork and questionable decision making on the ball at times) that repeatedly lead to dangerous situations. he's overall excellent for sure, but definitely not anywhere close to undisputed best in the world, that's just fanboy talk.

big bird courtios is awful. ter stegen is quite up their in quality. allisson is pretty top quality too imo. the funny thing is he and vvd cost liverpool basically $0 due to the coutinho rip-off they pulled on barc

Ter Stegen and Oblak are not worse than Alisson for sure.

I'm just going to say it, neither is Courtois.

e: or Ederson even.

ee: just read the hate for Courtois here, I don't get it.

He's saved Belgium so many times, was fantastic for Atletico and most of his Chelsea spel and is now performing for Real Madrid.

This post was edited by Mr_Mill on Jan 31 2020 03:58am

He has been performing really well for Madrid for the past 2-3 months, but had been mediocre before. I personally believe that if we want to compare him to the best, we need to wait to see him carry on this form further.

He has been a great keeper in the past though, so the potential to be one of the very best again is definitely there.

Whole madrid defence was overperforming imo.

As for Courtois, after watching some madrid games, he doesn't conceed, but is way off his chelsea days. Unreliable at best (can't hold a shot to save his life, awful punching of balls in pelanty area, makes every shot look like a dangerous one through bad positioning).
If you look at statistic, it's true he's up there, if you watch any game he surely is far from it.

Alisson, Oblak and Ter Stegen are a class above him.