Quote (dro94 @ 21 Apr 2021 18:33)

ESL has shown there could be a lot more money in football than there currently is, because of corrupt organisations like UEFA and FIFA

Quote (dro94 @ Apr 21 2021 05:33pm)

ESL has shown there could be a lot more money in football than there currently is, because of corrupt organisations like UEFA and FIFA

Quote (fender @ Apr 22 2021 12:04am)

more than anything it has shown that some clubs value money literally above everything else, even their fans.

that said, i agree that uefa and fifa are shitty and corrupt organisations. it's pretty disgusting how they now portray themselves as the saviours of the sport, just because an even shittier idea of football failed to overturn their established structures. the right approach would be to ask WHY those clubs were looking for alternatives in the first place, and improve - but apparently they managed to somehow still not get the message...

Quote (WNxIrvine @ Apr 22 2021 07:23am)

The ESL lasted all of 3 days. Not sure how they showed there could be a lot more money tbh. How do you make more money when you can't get your tournament off the ground. :lol:

Besides, we're finally at a point now where a good portion of the "lesser" teams no longer has to constantly sell their best players for peanuts. That's what these top clubs are really upset about.

In the end, it's unfair to make a cartel out of the current top dogs, it's a disgrace to all the teams who rightly rose and fell in line with the spirit of the game and I'm genuinely surprised a pool fan like yourself could be saying anything positive about it. Pool literally just won the champions league and Premier league on the back of being well run, developing good players and selling for decent money, and reinvesting in a squad that's up there with some of the premier leagues all time greats, they didn't just slap a big wallet on the table and buy their way to the top.

Meanwhile you've got teams like spurs getting a golden spoon when they've won the grand sum of fuck all for years now, and teams like arsenal who are so far in decline, a significant section of their fans are worried what the near future holds for them not just as a "big six" club, but as a Premier league club. It can't be justified.

Quote (dro94 @ Apr 22 2021 08:16am)

Broadcasters were lined up to pay ridiculous sums with JPM brokering the deal. It fell apart because of fan opposition, not because it wasn't financially viable

IMO the share of revenue allocation is unfair. The clubs with the most fans watching their games worldwide generate the most revenue for broadcasters but don't get nearly enough back in revenue, compared to the lesser teams. The big clubs make a lot of their money on superior commercial deals[/QUOTE]

As they should. League TV money is for everyone. There isn't a Premier league without the other 14 teams. Eventually, you will understand that football is a sport, not a business. Despite a select few money grubbers trying to make it so. The teams with the most fans today, are not the same as the teams who had the most fans from yesteryear. That is the entire point of it all, nothing is stopping Leeds from toppling arsenal long term. Nothing is stopping a team like Oxford toppling spurs. If you make a closed league, or put in place contracts to pay "the big 6" more simply based on how big they are NOW, then football is dead.

You'll always be able to squeeze more blood from the stone, it doesn't now, or ever, mean it's worth it.

Quote (dro94 @ 22 Apr 2021 09:16)

Yes, and this will embolden them as they know the super league is doomed so there's no need to placate the big teams by giving them a fairer share of revenue



Broadcasters were lined up to pay ridiculous sums with JPM brokering the deal. It fell apart because of fan opposition, not because it wasn't financially viable

IMO the share of revenue allocation is unfair. The clubs with the most fans watching their games worldwide generate the most revenue for broadcasters but don't get nearly enough back in revenue, compared to the lesser teams. The big clubs make a lot of their money on superior commercial deals

Quote (fender @ Apr 22 2021 02:55pm)

it sounds like your idea of "fairness" is giving the big clubs all the financial advantages they can possibly grab, and leave the rest in the dust.

i think that tv revenue and competition bonuses are perfectly valid places to have more balanced financial incentives that do not force the current status quo to be permanent. there are already plenty of aspects that give the big clubs massive financial advantages, like sponsorship deals, marketing and matchday revenue. and this isn't even touching on the insanity that is the ownership by some billionaire sugardaddy, which has completely shattered any semblance of balance or financial fairness. let's not forget that man city for example is currently competing in the CL although by every reasonable standard they should be banned under FFP rules.

to any supporter of a smaller club, your demand for an even larger part of the pie probably sounds rather selfish and definitely short-sighted. very much in line with the thinking behind the ESL. i'm glad that most real football fans, including those of the 'big' clubs, recognise how wrong that is not just from a 'moral' standpoint, but more importantly for the longevity and health of the sport itself.

Quote (dro94 @ 22 Apr 2021 23:56)

The financial advantages they deserve, in conjunction with a proper FFP. As Irvine rightly pointed out, Liverpool proved they can get back to the top with smart recruitment and not spending billions, Leicester are proving it, Atletico proved it, and so on...

I'm just pointing out the fact that people tune into Man United vs West Brom because Man United are playing, and the broadcasting revenue should reflect that if it's to be equitable and fair