beagle is useful af tho someone needs to eat defensive minutes aside from horvat
one less sutter, gagner, spooner, eriksson, schaller = 2 top 6 forwards
but fuck that we need more Dmen, especially if rumors of hutton going to leafs is true

That's what your 3C is supposed to be for.

Your 4C should be a cheap young guy that you drafted, for the most part.

With the way the cap is set up I think the 4th line should always be ELC guys or players on short deals at league minimum or close to it.

You are right about the 3rd line C. Problem is there is not much cap space for those positions either.

It is turning into a situation were top 6 forwards and top 4 D are going to get an increasing share of the overall cap.

The fringe players and veterans will either get squeezed out completely by ELC guys taking their spots or will have to settle for close to league minimum.

With the top heavy nature of the cap I think a lockout is inevitable. crazy money is getting thrown at fringe top 6 forwards - The Hayes contract comes to mind immediately, and I do not think it is sustainable.

Which was pretty much gaudette? Lol
Idk why you guys are so focused on 3rd center 4th center etc.
As long as the player is doing what they're suppose to do is more important than establishing what line they should be. Why would I care if gaudette(4c) played on 3rd line with players he can play better with, and beagle (3c)on 4th line with Motte-like players?
No one is gonna be deployed in dZone 80% of the time like beagle and win shit ton of crucial faceoffs against other teams superstars. Not even Sutter who's paid more sadly and is younger.

This post was edited by Secksii on Jun 30 2019 08:50pm

Your fourth liners are going to play 10 minutes max just based on average minutes distribution (top 3 centers taking 50/60 mins).

Regardless of their deployment, players that only play 10 mins max can't be making as much as some of our bottom-6ers do.

they can, if no one else can do better on the team though. Gaudette played pretty much 10min max on avg, which is 4th line C according to u.
If petey was also forced to do what beagle did, there is no way in hell he could've succeeded as much in his debut year in his new position. He was deployed 70% of the time in oZone minutes thx to beagle.

you need to give credit where it's due, u cant dismiss a player just by saying he's a overpaid 4th liner doing nothing, when he's actually doing so much for the canucks. No one else in the team is gonna be deployed 80%+ in the dZone and win shit ton of crucial faceoffs while eating up hard/grinding minutes.
Green tried to use Sutter the same way year prior, except sutter failed and couldn't handle it like beagle did. Would be nice if sutter could duplicate beagle's work so horvat can have better time like petey, but he simply can't nor stay healthy and like u said it's better to use his slot for gaudette to develop.
Honestly i dont see anyone more important in the bottom 6 role that should be paid more than beagle for what he brings to the team lol, like eriksson is our bottom 6 player and is being paid twice more doing fuck all lmao. What we really need to worry is if beagle can grind like this til end of his contract... but hopefully by then petey won't need as much sheltering and can do his part too like horvat proved he could this year.
Beagles 14 quality hard af minutes > 10 min nic dowd on caps ez minutes

This post was edited by Secksii on Jun 30 2019 09:32pm

You make a good point. It is important to appreciate the players who are primarily used in defensive systems and dont get much time to generate offense. This is why statistics do not always tell the entire story.

I think Horvat could put up even more points if he was not used in so many defensive situations - however he is so good at it you cant help it, especially if others are failing like Sutter, as you mentioned. I like Beagle and Roussel for what they bring but the problem is these are older players signed to longer deals which is quite scary.

They should not be relied upon for a long period of time because when the team (hopefully) transitions to being a playoff team they should not be a pig part of the picture anymore if the plan is put together properly.

One thing about Beagle is you have to look at how he was treated in Washington. Everytime he scored a goal his team would get super pumped. He was a really likable guy on that team because of his work ethic and willingness to take on roles that were far from glamorous.

Thing is like I said you ideally want to have younger players you drafted take on that role that come with a cheaper price tag. That however is difficult to do because Beagle is performing at a high level (when healthy) at fulfilling that role.

At the end of the day I still don't think that kind of money should be allocated to bottom 6 forwards; even if they are good at what they do.

This post was edited by Killingyouall on Jun 30 2019 09:54pm

Honestly I don't worry about beagle being overpaid by 1.5mil,cuz Benning made far worse signings and continues to do them as if he never learns. The sad part is beagle/Roussel signings are the players are actually worth their contracts so far, Benning fucked up by being close to caphit even with the Sedin retiring and signing horvat to a sexy contract its being wasted by few awful ones by Gagner/spooner, Sutter, Schaller, eriksson, etc. Need a new Gm that's more proactive imo

Is the 5y 30m floating about a decent deal vs myers? I felt like if we were to get him I hoped for pretty much those numbers lol

Still bad. He's not worth more than #4 money and the Jets rightly didn't fall for the trap.