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Nov 14 2023 10:21pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Nov 14 2023 09:17pm)
I mean. It's a reckless move that he's been proven to have done before. He's lifting the leg up to slow them down on the back skate. There's no way he meant to do what he did. But the move that was done accidentally caused johnsons death was probably iintentional and that's probably what the police saw during investigation.

You sitting in court literally has no bearing on anything. Not sure why that's a factor here?


Because I listen to manslaughter and murder cases every single week, or criminal negligence causing death.

The grounds needed to put them into custody is beyond reasonable doubt 99.9% +.

A jury would not guilty him so fast, let alone any sane kings bench justice, and if somehow didn’t, it would be appealed into the supreme court of Canada and done with so fast.

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Nov 14 2023 10:23pm
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Because I listen to manslaughter and murder cases every single week, or criminal negligence causing death.

The grounds needed to put them into custody is beyond reasonable doubt 99.9% +.

A jury would not guilty him so fast, let alone any sane kings bench justice, and if somehow didn’t, it would be appealed into the supreme court of Canada and done with so fast.


Right. This is all England courts too. That any different than here in Canada I wonder. Hope he has a good defense. And at the same time. If there's negligence on his part I hope Johnsons family finds justice.
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Nov 14 2023 10:35pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Nov 14 2023 09:23pm)
Right. This is all England courts too. That any different than here in Canada I wonder. Hope he has a good defense. And at the same time. If there's negligence on his part I hope Johnsons family finds justice.


British law is pretty much the same, I have a few friends who skipped out on undergrads and studied in UK (can study law straight out of high school)

You just write an equivalency exam to practice in Canada.

Unless they’re is substantial incriminating evidence, text messages / social media messages suggesting acts of violence specifically towards Johnson, or prior intention of “killing or injuring someone” with a skate blade… OR the defence lawyer sucks, or crown prosecutor is deadly, extremely deadly, etc.

I could never see this sticking, in Canada at least. British law idk they’re a lot less violent than we are as a society (North America), our case law is probably more watered down.

I’ll ask some defence lawyers tomorrow if they see any merit, but I’ve seen people do much much much worse, with insane prior criminal record entries walk away with less, almost if not once a month.

But insane to think this was done on purpose, let alone intent to kill/severe injure. Maybe intent to slow and disrupt Johnson down? But that’s a stretch especially to link to manslaughter.

I think this if anything is a PR stunt or.. the family themselves are pressing charges not realizing what kind of case they have, and doing it out of principal.

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Nov 14 2023 11:24pm
Quote (Tear @ Nov 14 2023 09:35pm)
British law is pretty much the same, I have a few friends who skipped out on undergrads and studied in UK (can study law straight out of high school)

You just write an equivalency exam to practice in Canada.

Unless they’re is substantial incriminating evidence, text messages / social media messages suggesting acts of violence specifically towards Johnson, or prior intention of “killing or injuring someone” with a skate blade… OR the defence lawyer sucks, or crown prosecutor is deadly, extremely deadly, etc.

I could never see this sticking, in Canada at least. British law idk they’re a lot less violent than we are as a society (North America), our case law is probably more watered down.

I’ll ask some defence lawyers tomorrow if they see any merit, but I’ve seen people do much much much worse, with insane prior criminal record entries walk away with less, almost if not once a month.

But insane to think this was done on purpose, let alone intent to kill/severe injure. Maybe intent to slow and disrupt Johnson down? But that’s a stretch especially to link to manslaughter.

I think this if anything is a PR stunt or.. the family themselves are pressing charges not realizing what kind of case they have, and doing it out of principal.


Unlike murder, the Crown does not have to prove that you intended to kill. It must be established that a reasonable person in that position would realize that death was likely to occur and he was reckless. As with any charge, guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

As per "criminal code help"

But I hear ya. I know a buddy (fellow electrician/employee) who intentionally stabbed a guy in the back. Killed him. This was all on camera. And he only spent 3yrs in a minimal security prison in southern alberta. Place didn't even have fences or anything. Was based on merit if you were allowed to stay there. They had ps4s and tvs n shit in their rooms even lmao
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Nov 15 2023 10:51am
Is it even Johnson's family requesting the charges?

Or UK popo arresting him to ask questions?

If petgrave answers, yes I intentionally did that to harm, but not kill him. He's fucked and probably charged for manslaughter.

However he will most likely say it was an accident, yes I could've tried my best to control my leg that was flying but I couldn't. Cuz I honestly can't see the dude lacing up his skates to use it as a weapon to harm others even if he doesn't intend to kill.

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Nov 15 2023 12:59pm
Looks like 2nd degree murder to me.
Should be hit with the book.

Second-degree murder is typically murder with malicious intent but not premeditated. The mens rea of the defendant is intent to kill, intent to inflict serious bodily harm, or act with an abandoned heart (e.g., reckless conduct lacking concern for human life or having a high risk of death).


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Nov 15 2023 01:20pm
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Looks like 2nd degree murder to me.
Should be hit with the book.

Second-degree murder is typically murder with malicious intent but not premeditated. The mens rea of the defendant is intent to kill, intent to inflict serious bodily harm, or act with an abandoned heart (e.g., reckless conduct lacking concern for human life or having a high risk of death).


Lmao
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Nov 15 2023 02:59pm
Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 15 2023 11:59am)
Looks like 2nd degree murder to me.
Should be hit with the book.

Second-degree murder is typically murder with malicious intent but not premeditated. The mens rea of the defendant is intent to kill, intent to inflict serious bodily harm, or act with an abandoned heart (e.g., reckless conduct lacking concern for human life or having a high risk of death).


bruh you're out to lunch if you think that'll ever happen lol
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Nov 15 2023 03:01pm
Quote (Tear @ Nov 15 2023 02:59pm)
bruh you're out to lunch if you think that'll ever happen lol


Looks like reckless conduct lacking concern for human life to me.
Raising a blade to someones throat seems to fit the bill to me.

Wont happen, but it should be considered.

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Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 15 2023 02:01pm)
Looks like reckless conduct lacking concern for human life to me.
Raising a blade to someones throat seems to fit the bill to me.


I honestly can’t tell if you’re just trolling or really uneducated

Truly I can’t. I’ll just leave it alone lmao.

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