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Feb 3 2023 11:02am
Quote (dragoneth @ 3 Feb 2023 08:37)
im comparing because there active players in the same league playing equally as good getting paid less
just seems really dumb to be like im putting up less points then that guy for my entire career but i want to get paid more then him because the cap went up

i get it you the teams the league they all go by the cap % but that's the whole fucking problem just because play A got 10% of the cap then why does shitter player B deserve the same money because that's the % for those types of players?
like it makes sense but at the same time it really doesn't what if they need to lower the cap? those contracts become way bigger %s but if they just based everybody on skill:money ratio that wouldn't matter as much because they wouldn't be paying a 70-80 point player the same as a 100+ point player just because the contract was signed a couple years later and that was his %

and thats a pretty fair point about viewership


They're not shittier player though...
Generational players like Crosby and Ovechkin are getting older, while the next upcoming stars like Mackinnon are getting better and reaching their prime ages. If mcdavid didn't take a discount when he signed the contract, and only cared about money he would still be the highest paid player despite signing his contract ages ago.

It would be more stupid for players not getting paid when cap goes up because that would cause a lockout lol. Can you imagine if players are being paid like back in the 90s and the caphit is 82m? Every team wouldnt have any cap problems, and be fighting to reach cap floor instead. They'll literally accuse teams of purposely making shit contract on a shit player to reach cap floor. Superstars will be paid 5 to 6m etc. That makes 0 sense.

The biggest issue is the average nhlers getting screwed cuz of the new upcoming youngsters and superstars. Back then, after elc, they get a decent bridge or term contracts, and after that they get to cash in their pay. Nowadays, right after elc teams have to massively overpay for their potential rather than what they did. Either lock em up or bridge with 1 year remaining as rfa with high qo. That's the problem.

Your logic is flawed because everyone can argue that they don't deserve their pay if their point totals are less than Draisaitl. It's not always about the points. It's about comparable players and what other things they provide to the team, such as being a centre? Winger? Lhd? RHD? Etc.

Also at the time, everyone thought Draisaitl was massively overpaid. So with your logic he shouldve signed a deal that's like 4 to 6m avv cuz he's worse than player A who earns 8+m. Now imagine all other players that are easily worth 6 to 8m deals but can't ask for more than 4m to 6m avv cuz Draisaitl has far more pts than they provide and it'd be "stupid" to ask for their price based on the caphit increase. If that's the case the league would be in shambles and players wouldn't be happy cuz they'll never make money playing the sport they love while owners take all the profits while the league is making more money than the past.


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Feb 3 2023 11:25am
Quote (Secksii @ Feb 3 2023 12:02pm)
They're not shittier player though...
Generational players like Crosby and Ovechkin are getting older, while the next upcoming stars like Mackinnon are getting better and reaching their prime ages. If mcdavid didn't take a discount when he signed the contract, and only cared about money he would still be the highest paid player despite signing his contract ages ago.

It would be more stupid for players not getting paid when cap goes up because that would cause a lockout lol. Can you imagine if players are being paid like back in the 90s and the caphit is 82m? Every team wouldnt have any cap problems, and be fighting to reach cap floor instead. They'll literally accuse teams of purposely making shit contract on a shit player to reach cap floor. Superstars will be paid 5 to 6m etc. That makes 0 sense.

The biggest issue is the average nhlers getting screwed cuz of the new upcoming youngsters and superstars. Back then, after elc, they get a decent bridge or term contracts, and after that they get to cash in their pay. Nowadays, right after elc teams have to massively overpay for their potential rather than what they did. Either lock em up or bridge with 1 year remaining as rfa with high qo. That's the problem.

Your logic is flawed because everyone can argue that they don't deserve their pay if their point totals are less than Draisaitl. It's not always about the points. It's about comparable players and what other things they provide to the team, such as being a centre? Winger? Lhd? RHD? Etc.

Also at the time, everyone thought Draisaitl was massively overpaid. So with your logic he shouldve signed a deal that's like 4 to 6m avv cuz he's worse than player A who earns 8+m. Now imagine all other players that are easily worth 6 to 8m deals but can't ask for more than 4m to 6m avv cuz Draisaitl has far more pts than they provide and it'd be "stupid" to ask for their price based on the caphit increase. If that's the case the league would be in shambles and players wouldn't be happy cuz they'll never make money playing the sport they love while owners take all the profits while the league is making more money than the past.

i mean obviously you scale up with the value of the dollar you wouldn't be paying guys like back in the day
"players wouldn't be happy cuz they'll never make money playing the sport they love while owners take all the profits" bro they are getting paid millions what the fuck are you talking about and that's how a business works the owners gets the most profit
there would be overpaid and underpaid exceptions there is now with this stupid % system they use too likely always will be but probably a lot more overpaid with this % system because a cap dip could make a player overpaid where as skill:performance only human error would really cause an overpay

idk I'm not going to argue i think its dumb you don't were just going to go in circles and waste time
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Feb 4 2023 02:07am
Quote (dragoneth @ 3 Feb 2023 09:25)
i mean obviously you scale up with the value of the dollar you wouldn't be paying guys like back in the day
"players wouldn't be happy cuz they'll never make money playing the sport they love while owners take all the profits" bro they are getting paid millions what the fuck are you talking about and that's how a business works the owners gets the most profit
there would be overpaid and underpaid exceptions there is now with this stupid % system they use too likely always will be but probably a lot more overpaid with this % system because a cap dip could make a player overpaid where as skill:performance only human error would really cause an overpay

idk I'm not going to argue i think its dumb you don't were just going to go in circles and waste time


that's what they're doing though by going with cap%, scaling based on the caphit. That's why im saying you can't compare contracts that was signed when caphit was much lower than what it is now, when the league grew and even added new teams to the league.

I dont think you understand what i meant by players being unhappy about not making money. When the league grows, they make $$$, expand teams etc. So for example, if the league was worth 1 billion, for simplicity sake, the players take 500m and the owners take 500m. Now let's say the league grew and is worth about 2billion dollars.
With your way of thinking how player A has "x" many points, then player B should not make more than A. (Drais) example, the players will limit each other on how much they can make regardless of the cap % based on the caphit. So while the players are still sharing btwn the 500m among themselves, the owners are splitting btwn 1.5bil. When players should share 1 bil, and owners take 1 bil to share. That's what i mean by players won't be happy not making the money they earned when they're the ones out there playing and providing the entertainment. That's why when caphit goes up, so does the contracts. I'm not really arguing, just explaining why it works like this in the league, and why it makes 0 sense to compare legacy contracts to current contracts just because they're all actively playing in the same league.
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Feb 5 2023 10:11pm
Apparently chychurun to leafs?
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Feb 7 2023 08:13pm
Ben kuzma says wild and njd big on boeser.

Njd needs to move out cap to take boeser, while wild needs canucks to retain but aqualini ain't fond of that idea
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Feb 8 2023 06:32pm
Hearing Boston and Calgary could be emerging as the leading contenders for Luke Schenn if/when the #Canucks are ready to pull the trigger.
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Feb 9 2023 06:54am
Sam carchidi reported that kevin allen says a team is interested in hayes and wants to move him back to C
there has been rumors of a couple teams interested from lesser reliable sources also saying some wanting flyers to retain making hayes a 5m player

if we trade jvr 50% and hayes say 2m retain and braun thats 9.5m we could probably take on 1 year cap dumps for some bonus assets too
would also give us pretty good money to target FA in the offseason and fill out the team on top of all the picks we got

i could also see deangelo getting traded depending who the GM is if its fletcher probably not cause i dont think he gets what he paid but i think hes in the torts doghouse but hes still putting up points
but there is rumors that briere will be taking over before the deadline and if thats the case he may ship him out for less then fletcher paid lol

This post was edited by dragoneth on Feb 9 2023 06:55am
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Feb 9 2023 01:23pm
Tarasenko to NYR rumours are heating up

This post was edited by Meatstick on Feb 9 2023 01:23pm
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Feb 9 2023 01:24pm
Quote (Meatstick @ 9 Feb 2023 09:23)
Tarasenko to NYR rumours are heating up


Whoooo

Seems like it's for a 1st, skinner, Blais, and another pick or 2.

Done deal: Rangers acquire Vladimir Tarasenko (50% retain) and Niko Mikkola from Blues for conditional 2023 first-rounder (lower 1st pick), conditional 2024 4th (3rd if nyr makes playoffs) , Sammy Blais, and forward prospect Hunter Skinner.

This post was edited by Secksii on Feb 9 2023 01:41pm
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Feb 10 2023 10:53pm
DAVID PAGNOTTA, THE FOURTH PERIOD: “The Canucks have been engaged in trade talks with the Toronto Maple Leafs, whom have been suggesting to everyone that their focus is on upgrading up front, about a Myers deal. There appears to be steady traction there, from what I’ve been told.”

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