why do you keep bringing up the canucks? i said philly could use him not vancouver idgaf what the nucks needs to pair with hughes if you dont need him you dont need him the nails in why do you keep hammering it
and 9+m? who said anything about that hes getting like 5.8 or something atm and you said 7x7 which i said i would take but yeah if we were paying him 9+million i guess id want him to be worth that but i dont think he would get that tbh
and i know what the stats were showing i read it and no shit chabot is going to play more toi and probably harder mins they dont have a 2nd d man let alone 2nd pair cbj has 2 solid d pairs in their top 4 you can split up the mins
and as for the better stats chabot is on a more offensive team its not surprising hes got higher offensive numbers not too mention hes like the only good offensive d man on the sens so you know he gets like 2 mins of their pp where as jones splits with the 2nd pair cause they are just as good
and defensively it doesn't seem like a whole lot better and cbj struggled this year and im sure that reflects on his stats but was he the issue? doubt it

i think hes above average and can improve a team that needs a top 4 RHD and i think extension range would be like 7.8-8.2 range tops but if he hits FA who knows maybe he gets 9m from a desperate gm
i dont think hes an elite d man thats like top 5 in the league by any means but i still think hes pretty good and id gladly take him on philly to replace the giant gaping hole left by niskanen but it doesnt have to be him there is others out there too^^

This post was edited by dragoneth on May 30 2021 09:38pm

I brought up the Canucks cuz i said there's no need to pay for him so much when we got Hughes. You replied with just cuz we got hughes we don't need other dmen like Jones... and we don't for that kind of $$$... as the Canucks need defensive dmen like Cernak much more and they're usually a lot cheaper than 7mil.

As i already said, he would fit with provorov and idc if philly pays him 7x7 or 9mil as long as it's not Benning paying him anything lol.

The whole point of isolating player analytics is to illustrate their individual impact to the game. The data suggests that Jones is very good offensively, but he doesn't make much impact defensively to his team and that he has never been simultaneously elite at both ends of the ice.



Also this article was written last year, so him struggling a lot this season isn't reflected by the data in the article. Even if CBJ is a defensive team, and Sens are an offensive team, CBJ still scored far more as a team. Also the sens were always below the league average team, whereas CBJ were above the league average. You say that chabot is the only good offensive dman on sens, and that's another issue cuz the only good offensive dman on the sens shows better analytics than Jones on a better team, in a defensive minded team. That should be concerning, no?

Don't get me wrong, he can definitely improve any team, he's a very good player but i don't think he's elite enough to want me to feel like i want Benning to trade for him AND pay him to lock him up is all

This post was edited by Secksii on May 31 2021 12:15am

Seth Jones is amazing, whoever picks him up will be very pleased

I wish the Sens would go for him, but I doubt we would. The guy had a down season but his entire team regressed and has been bleeding talent for a couple years

This post was edited by Meatstick on May 31 2021 07:23am

no it wouldn't be concerning because chabot is used in every situation default to being the sens only good d man and gets plenty opportunity to make "impact plays"
jones has 3 other guys on his team whos pretty good and can play those situations and hes still getting 25+ mins a night to me that shows hes earned those mins they arent just given to him by default
again more impact by offense doesnt mean shit chabot is probably out for majority of the sens 1st pp unit jones might be 1st unit out might be the 2nd depending whos rested stats dont consider that they just compare #s
there is things that stats are very good to analyze and hockey imo is not one of them there is way to many variables there is 20 other players on their team alone that are all variables let alone the division and conference they play different teams ect ect

like i said stats are cool to see and consider but i really dont put too much into them and look at the yotes their old gm iirc was a hardcore stats guy and well look how that turned out lol



yeah and the fact he wants out kind of says it all for me and with this you know hes going to be traded and bit of a down year...cbj doesnt have great leverage here they might get shafted with the return
with that being said id like if the flyers got him but there is other option and might be some big UFAS we can get for "free" but if a hes a cheapish trade option thats nice to have too
fletchers gotta get somebody that can fill our 1st line RD i dont really care who as long as they can full it better then ghost lmfao

but there is always lots of teams looking for top 4 RHD so its not going to be easy to get any of them specially once the expansion draft is done and settled

This post was edited by dragoneth on May 31 2021 09:32am

The guy played HUGE minutes in the last 2 playoffs for Columbus. Like they tasked him with shutting down Leafs top line and he made it look easy

To be fair the Habs are also making it look easy to shut down Matthews and Marner so maybe they just suck.

right

but there could be lots of good d man available this season
hamilton might hit UFA
savard might hit UFA unless he signs for league minimum tampa probably cant afford to keep him
nashville might be trading ekholm/ellis but i asume thats a pre expansion draft deal if its done
cbj likely trading jones now
potential for lots of lower depth RD too

lots of teams needs these guys but there is some good options for just about everybody

This post was edited by dragoneth on May 31 2021 10:52am

Interesting fact , and posting here because rumours of ridiculous of signings show up here.

The Montreal Canadiens are the first team in the cap era to win a series with a player having a contract 10 mil or higher.

and we were heavily complaining about season price for the last 2-3 years and the 2 times we are in the playoffs his play switch goes on and he goes back to vezina price form

This post was edited by Nihility on Jun 1 2021 12:34pm

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