You say plot armour as if it is super prevalent in the episode.

Gendry isn't Cersei's kid.... That theory has never made any sense. Their kid dying is what started her hatred for him. Why would the kid randomly have his death faked when it makes zero sense.

Also what was Arya supposed to do? A huge ass dragon was destroying the city and killing thousands of people in front of her. She did the only thing she possibly could have...

Unfortunately it's not just this forum.

Pretty sure I've had the same argument about the dragon multiple fucking times. Including here after the episode aired.

Also I rewatched the NK death and the army opens up to let the NK in and is still open when Theon rushes him. After that all the camera angles kind of suck and it's really hard to tell if they're is an opening or not.

I'll just assume they didn't close ranks behind the NK because Arya got in, but it's speculation to make that scene make sense.

This post was edited by Blah58 on May 14 2019 03:13pm

She just walks in like a fking boss but after the hound tells her to gtfo her courage also got the fuck out.

Samething about Arya after she killed countless walkers. Then courage came back again to rush in kill the NK.

I mean if your brain thinks it make sense good for you.

We'll see about that theory. Just having Jon sitting there would be cheap af. Danny turned mad so no way she wins.

So you think Arya should just stand still and parry the falling boulders with her stick sword?

Clearly the city blowing up around you is not something you stand around for. Her voice was strong and confident when she was telling the people to move, not scared and stuttery.

Her attitude was. Yeah she has spikes of courage sometimes which is exactly what im saying. Her courage seems to be going on and off and it disturbs me.
Then again you can see it the way you want.

Her courage never left. She just had a moment of clarity thanks to the Hound. I don't understand how anyone could possibly misinterpret their conversation....

>!Jon snow finally sees Arya after they reach the Irone Throne in King's Landing. (*I think this means that he hasn't seen her since she left Winterfell ahead of him*) Dany starts executing everyone in Kings landing (Tyrion and Jon are upset) Dany has Tyrion arrested for freeing his brother. (his trial is supposed to have neither Dany or Jon present) Tyrion tries to convince Jon to turn on Dany. His family will never be safe because it threatens Dany's legitimacy. Jon is horrified by what Dany has done to King's Landing, and she gives speeches about how she'll keep doing it to free slaves from their chains. He's also convinced by Tyrion that his family will never be safe because he presents a threat to her rule. Jon tries to talk to Dany but she ignores him thinking she is justified. Jon pledges himself to Dany, then stabs her, and surrenders himself. Very traumatic for Jon because he does love her. Drogon should melt the Iron Throne after her death.!<

>!Here is a major divide with the leaks. Is it a King's Council (throwaway5873421), trial with Tyrion's death (Friki), or both! Right now, King's Council to be true.<l

* Ending 1: >!**King's Council**: A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end. In the Epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. (*I think this is penance for regicide and guilt. People take the black to avoid the death penalty and he would be the 1,000^th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch*) Arya leaves. (*she told Clegane she would*) Sansa rules the North. When they're deciding who to elect as king, Sam suggests holding a democratic election and the other nobles laugh at him. That's before they vote on Bran. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn. The Unsullied leave to cross the sea and start liberating slave cities on their own, because that's Dany's plan before Jon kills her -- she has this big speech scene, after sacking King's Landing, where she's talking about wrecking the world, liberating all of the slaves from their masters.!<

* Ending 2: >!**Tyrion's Trial**: Tyrion's trial in the dragonpit is a major scene and has no Jon, Dany, or dragons. Sir Davos is present not wearing the Hand of the King pin (*he wasn't in 8x04 either*) along with all 3 stark children. Samwell Tarly, Brienne, Robyn Aryn, Grey Worm, an unknown man wearing golden clothes (likely Dornish), and another unidentified man (an older short bearded one dressed in green) will be there as well. Bran will flash back to season 1 where Tyrion Lannister told Catelyn Stark, "I never bet against my family". Tyrion is filled with anger and resentment against the people of Kings Landing because he saved them against Stannis and they still turned on him. Thinks people of King's Landing deserved it. He saved them and were ungrateful (trial of Joffrey's murder) Will fall to his knees in the middle of the speech dragged down by the weight of his actions. His death was filmed in studio so not sure how he dies.!<

* Ending 3: >!**Both Endings Combined**: King's Council seems most likely as multiple scenes can be cheaply shot however few will have graphic effects or sound added. Friki's leaks were from the 7 months ago when they were filming. Friki is doubling down that it is a trial and because Tyrion's death isn't filmed, it may be both. Tyrion will have a trial, give a speech, and ultimately be spared and raised to the King's Council. On the other hand, if he is killed, it doesn't change the ending too much so it should be interesting.!<


**On the endings, we'll have to see how the sources hold up after Episode 5. I don't particularly like the endings but the point of this post is to find the best information on sources, not the ones we like the best.**

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#B. Spoilers used in Summary (*with citations*)

(all predictions below were made *before* the episode aired)

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######Source 1 /u/afraidpart (Confirmed some 8x03, 8x04, and 8x05plot points in advance. Two parts either edited from 8x05 or possibly wrong (Cersei's flashback and dragon eating horse)

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11 months ago /u/afraidpart was right about the Dragon breathing blue fire coming out of it's neck and Jon having to fight it and later 8x04 details. Their [Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8k6600/spoilers_possible_the_end/) doesn't add anything to below and they originally thought Jon and Dany both live but corrected it to Dany dying 10 months ago.

###[Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8k6600/spoilers_possible_the_end/) from 11 months ago

* Cersei and Jaime are holding each other when they die.
* Revised that Dany does die.
* Only one dragon left, something to do with a scorpion needle.
* Last 3 Episodes are in front of KL
* Undead are dealt with in first 3 episodes.
* Cersei makes a meat shield of all the innocent people to stop them from coming in.
* Dragon blast through all the people
* Arya is useless
* Scene with horse ripped in half by dragon
* Cersei is watching the dragon coming in and Qyburn suggests they should leave.
* Cersei flashacks where she blew something up in the city when the dragon is blowing things up
* Hound and his brother fight and they end up both dying in fire by falling in. Hound finally takes the helmet off The Mountain.
* Cersei goes into the chambers where you first see the "catapult things".
* Jamie shows up and they hold each other as everything crumbles.
* Dragon enters throne room and "fucks shit up" and melts Iron Throne.

###[Part 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8ynd8c/edits_to_previous_spoilers_more/) from 10 months ago

* The Mountain kills Missandae by beheading.
* John Snow finally sees Arya after they get to the throne room. After Cersei and Jaime die he finally sees her.
* They have these shards the're using to kill everything undead
* Undead dragon is trying to kill people and when it breathes fire the flames are coming out of its neck because it has been hurt. He thinks Jon Snow kills that dragon.
* Daenaerys speech infuriates people and Tyrion tries to resign as hand of the Queen. (throws pin on the ground)
* Danaerys dies and they believe Jon to be the one to stab her in the throne room and as she is dying she goes to touch the throne. The (presumably last) dragon flies away with her body.

###[May 13th Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bnxaei/i_dont_know_if_these_would_be_considered_new/enecvvv/)

* I don't know. The throne is melted by the dragon after she's killed I think, so I don't know if before that anyone actually sits on it, maybe they wanted it to be dramatic and have no one sit on it. Or maybe someone sneaks in a sit, like a quick little sit just for shits and giggles, who knows.


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######Source 2: /u/spoiler_throwitaway (Confirmed 8x03 plot points in advance)

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This was from [5 months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/a4ea1k/spoilers_i_know/)

They nailed a lot in Episode 3 so this is not a fake but they had little to offer for upcoming episodes.

* It is once again likely Dany is killed by Jon Snow.
They heard by word of mouth that Dany died from a friend on another set but all accounts point to Dany dying.

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######Source 3: /u/throwaway5873421 (Nailed 8x04 a week early and 8x05 as well)

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>(Thanks to /u/KaySen762 who sleuthed it out over on /r/freefolknews in this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeFolkNews/comments/bl4v9s/so_the_newest_leaks_seem_to_confirm_the_insider/emm5yez/). Expanded detail from Q&A [can be found in their post](https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeFolkNews/comments/bmfdv7/compilation_of_leakers_who_gave_previous_accurate/).

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So originally I was referred to an industry forum with this information. That wasn't the real source and they modified the very end with their own theory (or combined it with another). There is nothing about Sansa scheming with, or against, Tyrion. The real user is /u/throwaway5873421 who has since deleted their account. ([Here are the screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/egrBZ0n)) The big thing is they conflict on is whether Tyrion dies or not. (Part 4 claims Tyrion dies) The death was not filmed but Friki was very confident of this. Could be two endings? Don't know.

* Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.
* Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.
* Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.
* Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.
* Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.
* Cersei has Missandei executed.
* Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.
* Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.
* Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.
* King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.
* The Hound fights his brother. They both die.
* Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.
* Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.
* Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.
* Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.
* Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.
* Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.
* Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.
* A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.
* In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.

* ***From the Q&A***: Jaime fights Euron and Euron dies. Tyrion is arrested to be put on trial, not just killed. Jon definitely takes the black and returns North. Seems King Bran has a part in that decision. Jaime shows up to get Cersei out of the city, she has a speech about just wanting the baby to survive. Jaime says the baby never mattered, just them and that's when they die together. Mountain gets his helmet knocked off and looks dumb. Hound tackles him off a ledge and both land in a fire and burn to death.

###Q&A from /u/throwaway5873421 on 11 May (*now deleted*)

* Was wrong about Jamei's betrayal. Scenes were out of order. No sounds so seemed the scene with Brienne was a betrayal. Seems Jaime meanders down now. You'll see a lot of the Jaime stuff, like him getting captured on the way to KL, happen next episode... well, actually, all the Jaime stuff, since he dies
* The Lannisters aren't burned alive, just building collapse.
* Heavy dialogue with Cersei, not sure about the surrender. Not really much she can do with the scorpions taken out, the iron fleet scorched, and the Golden Company slaughtered. Jaime finds her after.
* Euron initiates the fight.
* On Jon killing Dany, he tone of it is very tragic. It's kind of like she's completely consumed by madness and he's saying how much he loves her and he's loyal to her, then he stabs her when he gets close enough. It's obviously traumatizing for him to do because he does love her.
* Why Jon kills her? At that point Jon is horrified by what Dany has done to King's Landing, and she gives speeches about how she'll keep doing it to free slaves from their chains. He's also convinced by Tyrion that his family will never be safe because he presents a threat to her rule, so he's motivated by that as well, I'm sure.
* After Dany takes KL, Dany gives a speech about freeing slaves across the world, etc. Some scenes where characters are reflecting on the devastation she's caused. Some scenes where they're deciding how to handle Tyrion, who's a prisoner. If it does happen in episode 6, there's probably 40-50 minutes of buildup before Jon actually commits to killing Dany.
* Not sure what was filmed in Dragon Pit.
* Not sure on Vary's betrayal. Tyrion gets arrested because he frees Jaime to try to save Cersei, I think. His arrest definitely happens after that and there's no way that it's not a factor in it
* Unless they filmed alternate scenes where Tyrion dies and invested in post-production to polish those scenes with ADR, CGI, editing, etc for some inexplicable reason to throw off a tiny minority of the viewer base, Tyrion lives and will be on Bran's small council.
* Jon and Greyworm fight the Golden Company together, and Jon surrenders to the Unsullied after killing Dany, but I don't recall any big fight scene between them. I haven't seen Every Single Scene, but I can't think of where one would fit, either. Maybe if Jon prevents Greyworm from killing someone during the sack, but I didn't watch anything like that myself.
* On the "bells" triggering Dany...not really sure because I didn't have audio for a lot of those scenes... if there's bells, I doubt the "bells" themselves made Dany go crazy. That feels like a misinterpretation, to me, especially since I misinterpreted some scenes myself. Seems more likely, based off what I've seen, that she's not willing to entertain the idea of surrender, not that the bells in particular triggered something in her
* Jon doesn't kill Dany in a moment of madness. It's more like she becomes hellbent on a particular mode of justice that Jon realizes he will not be able to discourage.
* I didn't see any wildfire, but it's possible that I wouldn't have, or maybe I did and just conflated it with all the dragon fire. Didn't seem like anything like Battle of the Blackwater, at least... Definitely lots of dragon fire to go around, though. Drogon goes HAM on King's Landing.
* In the epilogue, the unsullied leave to cross the sea and start liberating slave cities on their own, because that's Dany's plan before Jon kills her -- she has this big speech scene, after sacking King's Landing, where she's talking about wrecking the world, liberating all of the slaves from their masters.
* When they're deciding who to elect as king, Sam suggests holding a democratic election and the other nobles laugh at him. That's before they vote on Bran.
* The Golden Company gets absolutely wrecked by the Unsullied.
* Arya tries to save civilians while KL is being sacked but fails, and leaves.
* Dany's whole plan for every combat situation is "let Drogon handle it," including the scorpions, which works fine for some reason even though she lost a dragon to one last episode.
* Cleganebowl: They both topple into the fire together, and you do see him without his helmet.
* On Jon taking the black: I'm really unclear about why Jon takes the black, but it seems more like he makes the decision himself, or that he makes the decision in conjunction with other people. It doesn't seem like he's forced to do it, or at least not that he's doing it against his will. He's pretty defeated after killing Dany. I don't know 100% about Jon's epilogue but he's not just going north to just retire out in the wild, it's definitely related to the Night's Watch. Taking the black is what makes him no longer a legitimate heir to the throne.


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######Source 4: FrikiDoctor (Long time leaker, never wrong in past seasons, and right up to 8x01. Wrong about who killed NK (*said Jon*). Got threatened by HBO and Youtube wrongful copyright strikes for spoilers)

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These [are the Friki](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/9dyb8m/frikidoctor_leak_megathread/) leaks from 7 months ago. ([English Video 1 from September 2018](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFboA8aT2Hk&feature=youtu.be) & [Part 2 follow up from Sept 2018.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc3_T2j11g&feature=youtu.be))

* The treason/betrayal scene will be revealed with 5 characters involved: Jon, Sansa, Dany, Arya, and Tyrion.
* Tyrions trial in the dragonpit is the most important plot twist and took 5 days to film. Jon and Dany were not present.
* Tyrion is supposed to die, most shocking, and most important part of the plot twist in the season. and this is part of bittersweet ending. He doesn't know what Tyrion did to put him on trial.
* It was filmed by "Wolf" unit which does all the Stark and Northern scenes in Belfast. ("Dragon" unit does all the Southern and Daenary's scenes)
* Fake action scene between Unsullied and Lannister soldiers in the dragon pit as misdirection. Meant to deceive us and the action scene was never filmed. No stuntmen, green screens, props, or walker extras were used in the dragonpit (so no dragons) It is an intimate and clean scene. No CGI. There will be *some* snow but most has melted meaning Winter is over when Tyrion is being judged.
* Sir Davos is not wearing the Hand of the King pin and overseeing the trial alongside Sansa Stark, Arya Stark, and Brann Stark. Samwell Tarly will be there and becomes Branns best friend. Brienne of Tarth will be there and even Robyn Aryn alive and present. Grey Worm will also be present.
* Two new characters will be there. [A man wearing golden clothes \(likely a Dornishman\) and an older short bearded one dressed in green.](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/9otygb/about_toby_osmond/e7xh4zb/)
* [A few days later a fan translation said that Friki confirmed Yara was filmed there.](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/9hu334/friki_uploaded_his_video_in_spanish_someone/)
* Brann Stark will use a "Jedi Mind trick" and take us back to the first Season. Like with Littlefinger. Recall something Tyrion said to Catelyn Stark when she had him a prisoner and riding to see her sister. One sentence/quote: "*I never bet against my family*". Once a Lannister, always a Lannister.
* Tyrion will say the people of King's Landing deserve it. Full of anger/resentment because he saved them and they discarded him(remember trial for Joffreys murder) In the middle of his speech he will fall down on his knees dragged down by the weight of his actions and there is no "trial by combat" escape. (Tommen forbid them)
* Does not know how Tyrion dies. His death was filmed in studio, not Seville.
* Gendry and Jaime Lannnister did not film in these scenes. He thinks Jaime will die around episode 4, or only appear in 4 films, based on contract pay.
* Kit Harrington's body double was sent to Seville and did nothing as a red herring. As well as Cersie, Jacquen Hagar, Yohn Royce of the Veil and [this name I couldn't understand pronunciation](https://youtu.be/8Jc3_T2j11g?t=770) (it was "the Waif"). All did nothing and were meant to deceive.
* **Rumor** While they are judging Tyrion, Winterfell is being reconstructed.

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Theorcraft a different outcome to the show:

Sansa collects up an army under Jons name re-introducing The Widlings to protect Jon from Daenerys and the rest of her army.

Jon and Daenerys get into a mass argument because of what Daenerys done to all the innocent people, he releases Tyrion secretly to send word back to Winterfell.

The Golden Army is not wiped out, they have re-inforcements en-route already and turn up as there is a war between Daenerys and Jon, they side with Jon, during the battle, Jon is killed at the same time as he kills Daenerys's Dragon.

Arya is already there, sees' Jon die, she changes her appearance to that of the Unsullied, gets in close and takes Daenerys's head.

Tyrion survives all this, Arya heads North with The Wildlings after mourning Jons death, Sansa goes back to Winterfell, Tyrion survives once again, he takes the throne, no one knows about Gendri... PoD (whatever his name is) gets it on with the Giant Lady who has become Tyrions Righthand Knight or what ever they call it... Gendri is still in love with Arya and chases her. Bran became part of the Tree in Winterfell for the next Three Eyed Raven to be born.

Did that cover like everyone... Tyrion Lannister becomes King of 7 what nots.
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At the end of the day... something else to think of if not already covered... we haven't looked at the remaining armies left... Unsullied, Dothraki, etc... whom they are loyal to... they aren't loyal to Jon.