This is what I've noticed. Some of the concerns/complaints have been logical, but this echoing void of empty thoughts from the masses is incredibly disconcerting. One idiot complains about the lighting and then out of the wood works you've got every idiot on the internet chiming in and even popular shows like SNL taking shots at something that was done extremely well and purposefully lol.

My biggest gripes are still Arya's excessive screentime and having her kill the NK, when you could have had a much more meaningful or epic scene. Second is from the same episode with Bran warging out for half the episode and them never showing what he was doing, or having him explain it. Would have been simple to have a few ravens fly in and distract people in key moments, or something like that to show he was helping to setup the outcome.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 13 2019 02:24pm

Not sure if I said this before, but I don't see it that way at all.

Way I see it, Bran killed NK. He used many tools to do it (the dagger, Theon, Beric, Arya). Arya being the one to hold the dagger as it entered NK is just as important as Frankengregor being the one to swing the sword that decapitated Missandei. They are both agents of their masters. Although Bran's level of control over people is not really known to them.

Tbh i wonder how they finish it next week. After ep 3 and 4 i didnt have much hope but this ep outside of a few stupid thing was fucking good. Will it go like the leaked infos or not

This post was edited by Nihility on May 13 2019 02:32pm

Why did they need to be anything other than the bringers of death?

They were always a growing threat, lingering in the background. They were never the main antagonists. They served a a purpose so far as uniting dany's armies and the north. Other than that they created excitment and mystery which was able to come to a climax this season. But the show is not about them, it never was.

Its a game of thrones.



I think ahe had so much screen time this latest episode for two reasons. The hound was going to die and they needed to close their relationship and go on one last ride together.

She was also used to show just how fucking horrible and bleak it was for the residents of kings landing. It makes more sense we see it through the eyea of someone we are familiar with, we get to root for her and wonder if shes going to make it out etc. It was either we follow arya theough the turmoil or we just get 20+ minutes of drogan/dany slaying countless randoms who mean nothing to us as an audience.

This post was edited by WelSh on May 13 2019 02:39pm

We can assume he did something, but there's no tangible evidence that he actually did anything during the battle. I'm fine with a cripple not fighting or doing any crazy shit, but if you're going to make a point of showing him warg as if he's doing something to help, at least give us an idea of what he's doing. I don't doubt that he helped, ofc he did, but it's left up to our imaginations and that's lazy writing imo. Just one of the few things that irked me, but it's not that big of a deal

E: also, what the hell is wrong with people? Unless the actual episode leaks early, why the fuck are people trying to look up spoilers for something that's going to be concluded in a week lol.

Makes a lot of sense why the guy who thought Cersei could kill Danny, but didnt to make herself look better is so confident and arrogant about who'll be sitting on the throne.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 13 2019 02:41pm

This and the arya jumping out of nowhere to reach the nk back was the two things i hated the most in ep3 they just needed to add 2 minutes to show a bit of what bran is doing and how arya was able to sneak on the ww (not the wights). Its hard to picture bran on the iron throne. If its really the ending like the leaked infos suggest i wonder how they will pull it off. The name of the episode is the last of the starks so i expect arya to not go back to winterfell and sansa to die

This post was edited by Nihility on May 13 2019 02:40pm

If the show hadn't ever implied a deeper connection, then I wouldn't have complained about it.

But when we saw things like:

A WW looks like right at Sam and walks away while he sits there
The deal with Craster
The fact that wights stayed at the edge of the frozen lake instead of killing the crew in the middle
The fact that he was able to 'mark' Bran by touching him in a vision

It led us to belief that NK had knowledge of the dragons and he was laying a trap for them. It built anticipation of learning more about their nature. The show implied that we would later learn of a connection between him and the magical elements of the show (greensight, winter, 3ER, Targaryen destinies)

To reveal that that were no connection is a failure to payoff cliffhangers that were previously used to build hype.

If they weren't going to make the WWs important to the plot, they should have just left them off the show. The mild plot impact they had could have been better accomplished by an army of wildlings. They would have been more appropriate external threat to the North. Mance Rayder was a very interesting character. And since Jon had once been part of them, it would have given an extra layer to that plot.

Yep and that's just a massive problem with consistency throughout the episode there. If anyone could sneak up on the NK, it'd be Arya. The problem with that though, is that just a few minutes ago you had her sniveling like a coward and barely avoiding detection by normal walkers and you want us to believe that a few minutes later she's able to sneak past his strongest fighters? It just didn't make a damn bit of sense. That could have been easily worked into the warging though, Bran guides the way by distracting people or doing w/e the fuck he has to, to help Arya get the advantage. That way we can make sense of how she did it and we can make sense of what the fuck bran was doing lol.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 13 2019 02:47pm

I agree that it could have been fleshed out more. The rushed nature of the final NK kill sequence is on par with the rushed nature of S7/8. I've come to expect that and am not bothered by it.

My only problem is the NK doing nothing while he was still alive. There should have been a flashback/vision of some sort tying the WWs into the story.

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