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May 8 2019 05:15pm
Quote (djman72 @ May 8 2019 02:25pm)
It would just make her angry lolk. She's got enough rage at everyone at this point - not just Cersei.

She's just fucking Angry at this point - see a list below of things that are contributing to her madness that aren't Cersei related:

She's going mad because she's lost so much of her forces
She's going mad over the situation with Jon being her blood
She has just lost one of the only people she could trust in Jorah
She's going mad because she's losing her claim to Jon Snow
She's going mad because she's seeing people fawn over Jon as king and not her
She's going mad because she's being questioned and contradicted by her loyal subjects
She's just going fucking mad because she's a Targaryen and the daughter of the mad king.

I'm not sure why this is a difficult thing to grasp, but I'll try to restate it.

Her dragon died in a very unspectacular manor. I, for one, think that a death of one of her three dragons should be somewhat epic and (dare i say it....) well written. The first dragon had a great death.

Take the dragon's out of that scene - Euron still blows her fleet to shit and they still capture Missandei. The scene at KL still plays out the same with or without the death of the dragon. To me, the WAY IN WHICH THE DRAGON DIED added no value to the idea that Dany's going mad. All of the scenes would play out exactly the same with or without the dragon being scorpion sniped in an unrealistic manner.


I don't have time to deal with every element about this right now but I will say it's not about her going insane, it's about directing her rage towards Cersei at high enough levels that she will burn Kings landing.

If all Cersei did was hold the throne and kill one servant then the eventual burning won't make sense. So they are piling it on.

This post was edited by Blah58 on May 8 2019 05:18pm
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May 8 2019 05:16pm
Quote (Kayeto @ May 9 2019 12:01pm)
here you go


That was a great write up, the episode is still fresh in my mind as I only watched it like 12 hours ago, and I realised these things.

1. The fleet was anchoring BEFORE the Dragon dies.
2. Danni and her dragons were returning to the fleet (indicating that she had completed scouting ahead)
3. Euron and his fleet were hidden behind the Island on their left flank.
4. As the dragons descended and headed towards her own fleet, they came into Euron's Fleet Sights.
5. Thus, danni and her dragons had a blind spot and Euron and his fleet took advantage of this and fired on them.

The only issue I have is the three precise hits NOW... before I did not realise any of those facts, but as I was writing them, I started to remember the scene more clearly, thus, they could have been scouting, they did NOT see the fleet as they were hidden behind the island, and it showed that dannis' fleet was anchoring.

People should actually re watch it again at those points... I am going back to the episode again to double check my points.

EDIT: Not exactly correct but:

52:55 Fleet anchors, shows dragons flying over the front vessel towards KL and banks left to circle back (blind spot is to their left)
53:22 Dragon gets hit in the chest (from the front)
53:28 2nd bolt hits chest (from the front)
53:30 3rd bolt hits kneck (from its' left) then drops to the water on the left side of the front vessel (think it is the first one since they were returning to fleet)
53:47 Bolt misses Danerys (sp) head (from her left)
53:50 View of Eurons fleet emerging between an Island and the mainland.
54:41 View of Eurons fleet is on the left flank of Dannis' fleet.

Not sure if it is the writers fault or the directing, the scenes don't add up.


This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 8 2019 05:42pm
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May 8 2019 05:27pm
Quote (Kayeto @ May 8 2019 04:01pm)
here you go


That's honestly terrible.
First of all having the dragon die in battle due to Danny's own choices and hubris isn't anywhere nearly as shocking and impactful as having it die out of nowhere.

Secondly Rhaegal is already injured, slow, and off balance. I've seen so many people say the scene would have been better if he was injured before he was killed. Like he was already fucking injured from the long night. Did you miss his of balance flying, or the huge holes in his wings?
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Quote (Blah58 @ May 8 2019 06:27pm)
That's honestly terrible.
First of all having the dragon die in battle due to Danny's own choices and hubris isn't anywhere nearly as shocking and impactful as having it die out of nowhere.

Secondly Rhaegal is already injured, slow, and off balance. I've seen so many people say the scene would have been better if he was injured before he was killed. Like he was already fucking injured from the long night. Did you miss his of balance flying, or the huge holes in his wings?


Sucks to me they killed Rhaegal because he was symbolic of Jon (Aegon)'s father, and imo Jon's dragon.
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May 9 2019 09:04am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 8 2019 04:28pm)
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The dragon dying showed how Cersei has the upper hand... How do you not understand shit this simple lol........


again.... do you comprehend English? I do not have an issue with the dragon dying, but how it died.

I can't keep my sanity any longer trying to explain this. You're turning me into the mad d2jsp'er.
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May 9 2019 09:13am
Quote (AgnarioN @ May 9 2019 05:07pm)


This is actually a good point and i can't find a plausible excuse for it. Imo this qualifies as poor writing.
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May 9 2019 09:14am
Quote (Kayeto @ May 8 2019 06:01pm)
here you go


This is much better than the actual events of the show.

Quote (izParagonzi @ May 8 2019 05:49pm)
So, what you are really pissed off about is the fact that the dragon death scene was boring and somewhat a let down to the show?

I tend to agree, it lacked lustre, wasn't inspiring, nerve wracking or exciting... so would it have been a little bit better if the scene went something like this:

Danni and Jon each rode a dragon leading and flanking the fleet (in front but one left, one right of fleet), the ships anchored and Jon started to descend in an arcing fashion in between the Island on his left and their fleet. Leaving a blind spot to Eurons' Fleet with mounted scorpions in front, a sharp loud snap sounded as 15 scorpions let loose on Jon and his dragon, and out of the volley the Jon's dragon was struck three times. Jon struggling to hold on to the dragon and direct it closer to his fleet, thus the dragon crashes in to the water and Jon is hurled off, during this time, Danni sees this, all forms of emotions hit her at once, horror, sadness, loneliness, and utter rage ... etc carry on with what happened in the actual episode.

Yeah, basically it isn't that great how I wrote it out, but, at least it would have removed some of the errors they made and slightly gave more of an impact to the death of the dragon... and there you have it... yes I did write this down on page 52, but #10 was bad placement really.

EDIT: When I started to write that, I did realise that in the episode, the dragons nor Danni could see Eurons fleet because there was an Island there in between them. So when they came in to Eurons Fleet view, he had the opportunity to take both dragons out IF all ships fired in unison.


Correct. The first dragon died in spectacular fashion. Allowed the night king to break down the wall and provided serious suspense and interest now that the NK has a fucking dragon. It was legit, and showed the dragons were not invincible.

This dragon just......died. He could have died of old age, or choking on a horses bones, or committed suicide because it was irreversibly sad - the outcome would be the same.
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May 9 2019 11:11am
Quote (djman72 @ May 9 2019 11:04am)
again.... do you comprehend English? I do not have an issue with the dragon dying, but how it died.

I can't keep my sanity any longer trying to explain this. You're turning me into the mad d2jsp'er.


You literally said the dragon dying didn't add to anything in the episode..........


The way it died showed how their dragons aren't superior anymore. If you weren't fucking stupid you'd realize that.

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on May 9 2019 11:11am
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May 9 2019 11:43am
On a side note : 3 "spinoff series" have been announced. First one we all know its the first men arrival on westeros, the second is about the targaryans (from.what it sounds like its aegon conquest of westeros) but they didnt precise the name and the third one is yet to be announced. The most advanced one is the first one and the two others are still getting scripted

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