Quote (Blah58 @ 8 May 2019 21:31)

We find out in episode 4 about half the Dothraki died, not all of them.

Also their battle tactic wasn't retarded from their perspective. Obviously being outside the show and having all the information we can easily see the flaws. For the Dothraki however, they have spent literally their entire history doing shock tactic charges like that and it worked. That type of battle tactic even has basics in reality, hell the Mongols conquered most of the known world and ruled it for an absurdly long time using those exact same tactics.

Quote (ampoo @ May 8 2019 12:46pm)

i was rather suprised to find that out, because that means they are not totally outmatched by the golden company (which should still have the upper hand though)

cant say what impression you had from episode 3, but for me it looked like the army of the living got almost completely wiped out
and now i was like "wow, they have still so many guys left"
just wondering where they all were during the later stages of the battle

the writers said something like "this is basically the end of the dothraki" in the inside episode for ep 3 btw

Quote (Blah58 @ May 8 2019 02:20pm)

Let me spell it out for you. The dragon dying when it did helped to stoke Danny's rage against Cersei and help unhinge her, if it had died during the long night it would have just been a sad death that didn't serve any plot purpose.

Quote (Neptunus @ May 8 2019 02:37pm)

I like how this gets so heated that people start insulting each other over whose fiction theory is better. It's one thing to fiercely debate it but completely another when it becomes personal. Art criticism isn't a science.

Quote (djman72 @ May 8 2019 01:46pm)

that's just like, you know...... your opinion man.

I see it differently. You can spell all you want, but neither of us know for sure.



Makes the internet fun to argue with idiots.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 8 2019 12:32pm)

How many real life combat situations have you been in where you can draw these conclusions from?

I've seen dumber in real life.

Quote (Blah58 @ May 8 2019 03:48pm)

So you're saying that in your opinion having Danny's dragon die to the night king would make her angry at Cersei. Lolk.

Quote (djman72 @ May 8 2019 05:25pm)

It would just make her angry lolk. She's got enough rage at everyone at this point - not just Cersei.

She's just fucking Angry at this point - see a list below of things that are contributing to her madness that aren't Cersei related:

She's going mad because she's lost so much of her forces
She's going mad over the situation with Jon being her blood
She has just lost one of the only people she could trust in Jorah
She's going mad because she's losing her claim to Jon Snow
She's going mad because she's seeing people fawn over Jon as king and not her
She's going mad because she's being questioned and contradicted by her loyal subjects
She's just going fucking mad because she's a Targaryen and the daughter of the mad king.

I'm not sure why this is a difficult thing to grasp, but I'll try to restate it.

Her dragon died in a very unspectacular manor. I, for one, think that a death of one of her three dragons should be somewhat epic and (dare i say it....) well written. The first dragon had a great death.

Take the dragon's out of that scene - Euron still blows her fleet to shit and they still capture Missandei. The scene at KL still plays out the same with or without the death of the dragon. To me, the WAY IN WHICH THE DRAGON DIED added no value to the idea that Dany's going mad. All of the scenes would play out exactly the same with or without the dragon being scorpion sniped in an unrealistic manner.

Quote (djman72 @ May 8 2019 05:25pm)

the WAY IN WHICH THE DRAGON DIED added no value to the idea that Dany's going mad. All of the scenes would play out exactly the same with or without the dragon being scorpion sniped in an unrealistic manner.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 8 2019 05:28pm)

The dragon dying showed how Cersei has the upper hand... How do you not understand shit this simple lol........

Quote (djman72 @ May 9 2019 10:25am)

Her dragon died in a very unspectacular manor. I, for one, think that a death of one of her three dragons should be somewhat epic and (dare i say it....) well written. The first dragon had a great death.

Quote (izParagonzi @ May 8 2019 06:49pm)

it have been a little bit better if the scene went something like this:

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Dany's crew is sailing towards Dragonstone. She is using her dragons to scout. They see a set of ships in the distance. They fly closer to investigate. As soon as they get close enough to make out a Greyjoy sigil on the sails, the ominous Euron music kicks in. Dany turns around and flies to her ships, hovering in next to Davos to tell him what she saw. Davos begins bark orders about changing course, but Dany stops him and says "Stay the course". Davos looks flustered and concerned (obviously disliking the order) but says "As you command my Queen"

Dany hangs back and watching as the two sets of ships start getting closer. She sees a volley of arrows from archers fly between the ships, none of which cause any real damage. The camera then flips around to face Dany and her dragons. They let out a battle cry and the "heroic Dany theme music" plays.

She swoops in, figuring that Euron's ships are sitting ducks for her dragonfire. As soon as she begins to get close, Euron and his men pull off the sheets that had been covering the scorpions on their decks. A first round of 7 bolts are fired. Drogon and Rhaegal each execute evasive maneuvers at the last second. We see 6 bolts pass by, hitting nothing. But one bolts punctures Rhaegal's wing. Injured and offbalance, Rhaegal is having trouble controlling his flight path. He's a wounded, slow-moving, easy target for the next round of bolts that take him down.

The rest of the scene continues as normal.

The rewrite accomplishes the same essential plot function as we got in the episode, but with 2 massive upgrades

1- It makes sense

2- Dany's poor judgement played a role in the loss. Her Blitzkrieg was arrogant. This plays into the conversation that Tyrion and Varys will have later questioning her their support for her.