Sorry if this is long to read but this guys comment was just spot on for me took that shit on facebook lol

Game of Thrones SPOILERS!!!!!!
I am so frustrated because Episode 3 was great but also insanely bad. So much wrong with the writing on this episode. When I watched the episode I was excited and had tons of anxiety but after the ending I was like.. whew... ok let me think about what happened and the more I think about it.. the more it was such BS.
1. What war tactician would run your calvary first into a horde on undead you cannot see nor know the strength. Cavalry is used for shock and awe or flanking support and although the scene was cool with the lit up swords and the lights go out in the distance, it was a horrible and idiotic war strategy.

2. Ghost: Why the hell was ghost running with Jorah and the Dothraki. Jon would never have put Ghost in danger like that and he would have put Ghost more likely in the Crypts to protect his Sister Sansa or even Bran. Ghost was unused for no reason.

3. Way to many people survived from the main characters. Brienne, Jaime, Podrick, Sam, Tormund, Greyworm, and a bunch of others survived when this was the red wedding episode to kill off people who’s story arch would have ended.

4. The White Walkers never even got to fight. They literally are like the generals and can do the most damage and they just stood back chilling. Such a waste.

5. Bran: Why was Bran warging for no reason. He just stood there the entire episode and had no impact as someone who can warg into animals. Another waste.

6. Melisandra. I really enjoyed her here.. but her reason for being there felt totally wrong. She lit the swords and the pit which was fantastic but since season 2 she was working to defeat the Other race by finding Azur Ahai and create Lightbringer which she tried with Stannis Baratheon to create the sword to defeat the night king and she basically gave Arya a pep talk. DUDE.. Melisandra is MADE OF FIRE. Her whole plot device is to carry out Nissa Nissa and for Azur Ahai to stab her with his weapon in the heart to create Lightbringer. SO pissed they ignored this.

7. Baeric’s death was to help Arya for 5 seconds escape to the next room? He died 19 times + and went past the wall to defeat the Night King and they literally gave him a crappy half Hodor scene. His death felt cheapened.

8. Jon: Jon did not do a damn thing this episode. He killed a couple wights but he had no impact on the fight with the Night King.. which leads me to..

9. Arya: WTF! Arya did NOT deserve to be the killing blow on the Night King. Her destiny is all about changing faces and is an assassin to most likely kill Cercei wearing Jaime or Tyrion’s face. Arya has a list of people she is after to kill. The Night King was not on her list and she never had any interaction with wights, White Walkers or the Night King before this fight. She did not earn that kill and I felt it was total fan service ignoring George R.R. Martins folk lore about Azur Ahai, Prince that was promised, Nissa Nissa, Lightbringer.. ect.

10. I feel like George R.R. Martin would never have ended this books this way. In interviews he has discussed this ending and said the HBO directors ending would not be the ending he would have made but the premise is the same. In the interview with the directors they stated they wanted to go off script of what should have happened to surprise people. NOOOOOOO.. Jon’s destiny or maybe Khaleesi was the Prince or Princess that what promised. It was Jon’s story arch to kill him.

11. Also the Night King did nothing the entire show. He killed Theon underwhelmingly but the reality he did no damage what so ever. His death and purpose felt entirely empty of a plot device that never fulfilled what it was intended to do.
*Jon Joined the Night Watch and learned about the others.
*Jon Went beyond the wall and brought Wildlings and Night Watch together for the purpose of defeating the night king.
*The Night King watched as Jon killed one of his White Walkers with his Valerian Steel sword.
*The Night King infront of the dock raised all the dead Wildlings to show him how powerful he was.
*Jon went and gathered Khaleesi and her Dragons to help fight the night king and showed her the paintings of the children of the forest.
*Jon went beyond the wall again to gather a single wight to show Cercie and freeze the war to kill the Night King.
*Baeric stood there and pointed at the Night King with Jon that they had to kill him to stop the army.
*Jon was a King and the Night King was the King and in old lore the Kings would fight each other to finish a battle like Jon stated to Ramsey.
*I could make 4 pages of the reasons why Jon should have been fighting the Night King. He might not be the finishing blow but it was his fight that he had worked for that was stolen from him.
SO FRUSTRATED they played fan service to ARYA and ignored everything in the books. In the books Melisandra never even met Arya and that whole brown eyes, Green Eyes, Blue eyes was never mentioned. ARGGGGGGGGG~~~!!!!!! I really liked the episode but there was SO MUCH to hate.

How could you possibly think that?



People really need to understand that the books and the show are not the same thing. Nissa Nissa hasn't been discussed at all in the show, Azor Ahai was mentioned briefly, but it never meant a damn thing, as the only one it was mentioned about died like a punk. I don't understand how people expect them to tie in shit that's not even relevant in the show. I'm still hoping there's more to what happened and that we'll get some closure in the next three episodes. If there isn't, we still have the books, which will almost assuredly have Jon kill the NK, or at least play a huge part in his demise and we can safely assume that the real secret of the NK/Bran is just too convoluted to cover in a TV show aptly.

I don't give a shit who kills the NK, but I do care about the story and them glossing over all the build-up for how it concluded was weak as hell. It does seem like Arya coming out on top was more of a fan-service thing than anything else, but again, I'm still hoping this isn't the end. There's also the possibility that they figure Jon is going to be doing enough in the Cersei -> Danny stuff, that they didn't want to have the last four episodes be literally allllllll Jon, someone fans hate (for whatever fucking reason). Which is understandable, but the fans only have only themselves to blame for being whiny little cunts lol.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 2 2019 10:10am

Well, I finally got to see Episode 3. Yup, read some posts about it, but not all. Anyway... my 2 bits worth.

You have 2 dragons that didn't even support the Dothraki (sp) when they charge off into the dark... wtf is up with that.
Oh... yay they lit the pit, woot we're safe... oh come on, again 2 dragons if not just 1 of them could have been killing off the dead while they were standing there doing nothing.
Why wasn't the outside of the walls oiled and tar'd... shit light that up and oh yeah, the dead would be feeling it for certain. Also, why weren't they ready with spears at the top of the wall to fend off the dead easier... doesn't make sense.

Too many scenes where they are totally outnumbered and low and behold, they survive... Jon should have died, Daenerys should have died, there shouldn't be any dragons left alive, and so on.

To be honest... I liked how Arya got the kill, that is how many for her now ... 6 kill segments of importance, even if some are minor ones... one of my favorites was when she got revenge for the Wedding... killed off all of the men and then made the pie for the chief to eat then slit his throat. Also liked how she got Needle back and repeating the same phrase back to the guy before she pierced his throat, or the guy in the whore house hitting little girls... that was good also. She got trained quite well. As for her suddenly getting past the hoard of dead to kill the Night King, that was kinda BS, only thing I could think of, she used the many faces to look like one of the Generals and quickly ran past, that is why one of them looked over and only the breeze of something rushing by him whisked his hair to the side.

1/10 for War strategy ... they sucked.
1/10 for graphics ... basically had my face plastered to the screen and brightness @ 100%
9/10 for Bullshit survivor rate
2/10 for Arya killing NK

total... 4/10 ... the other 9/10 is for just BS.

Still holding out some hope that there's a big twist about Bran in the next episodes.

Like WTF was he doing during the battle except warging some crows??
And why was it soo important that Jon knows his lineage asap? Trying to stir some shit up maybe idk.

I guess what makes it even worse is that there were so many angles they could have gone that would have been so amazing. Jaime(hero) being the one to kill Bran (villain) would have been SO AMAZING considering the way they started out in the end of S1E1 and the long journeys each of them took to get back to Winterfell.

That would have jumped off the screen. There's so much meat to work with here since they've tossed in time travel and warging and all that kinda stuff. Then they just choose to not use any of it.

If a story like this had been a spinoff movie of the LotR franchise, then I would have had no problem with it. But for to be GoT, knowing everything it brought to the table, it's a huge relative letdown.

This post was edited by Kayeto on May 2 2019 10:47am

Never liked the Bran=NK shit, it could have been cool, but I feel Bran properly explained why the NK was after him. Everyone being so high on Jamie is the same fan-service shit as Arya. He hasn't done nearly enough to redeem himself imo and I wish everyone would stop hyping him up.

E: I'm not disagreeing that it's a letdown, I think it is, but there's still more show and I'm just praying these bastards give us some closure. If not, then I'll be pissed lol.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 2 2019 11:12am

GRRM is in poor health, book 6 was supposed to be released years ago. Its still not finished. Hows he gonna write 2 more if he cant finish 6. Id be surprised if 6 is even ever released, could be released un finished at that.

1) The Dothraki have been able to charge like this and win for literally their entire history. This being a complete failure is new to them. It's their battle tactic that they have used in every single battle they have ever been in. What they did is a shock tactic, it just didn't work cuz the dead are dead. Plus it sets the tone for the rest of the show. It gets Danny involved with her dragons and it just looks awesome.

2) Honestly who fucking cares. The wolves don't matter in the show, they are literally just fan service.

3) I'd wait to see how they decide to end all of the characters stories before getting angry that not enough were killed here. Like if Brianne goes on to do nothing then die in a later episode then yeah she should have died here. Just have to wait and see. Also I think if you killed too many it would lessen the effect of the deaths that did happen.

4) 1 Walker dying means thousands of wights die. Makes sense to keep them away from the fight.

5) Warged into Ravens to view the battle. What do you expect him to do? Like honestly. He isn't some Grand Wizard, he is a crippled kid that can see stuff. He spent a lot of time moving pieces on a chess board, now he has to wait and see if it worked. He didn't do nothing, what he did was more subtle than throwing fire from his hands.

6) Her reason for existing is to help defeat the Night King, which she did. She isn't fucking Nissa Nissa, and even if the show decided to use the prophecy it wouldn't have been the Red Woman that was killed to make Lightbringer. This is just an extremely stupid thing to be salty about.

7) Just like the red woman, and many other things in this show, buying Arya time so she can do what she needed to do was what mattered. His death wasn't "half hodor" the amount of symbolism in his death was insane. It was literally a mirror of Jesus dying on the cross, side stab included.

8) Who cares? Most people didn't do anything other than kill wights... Why should Jon be any different?

9) An assassin who has trained basically her entire life to be an assassin didn't deserve to assassinate the guy attacking her home? Also "deserve"? There is no "deserve" in life, just shit that gets done, and Arya got shit done. Plus all the fucking set up for it happening. Like her sneaking up on Jon in the same location, or using the same knife trick in her fight with Brianne. This kill was great, anyone who says otherwise is just clinging to fantasy tropes that GoT has never used.

10) GRRM helped craft the show. He told the show runners how it will play out. If you think GRRM is going to fall into typical prophecy/"the one" destiny trope bullshit then you are insane. Plus this show isn't the books, so saying "cry why isn't the show the books cry" is literally the weakest argument possible.

11) The night king was a side quest. The main story has never been about him. The good guys need to deal with him because if they don't the world ends, but he isn't and has never been and was never meant to be, the main villian. He is exactly what they said he is many times, he is death. I feel like the rest is just a summary of previously discussed points.

Edit: typos

Edit 2: also I'm pretty sure the night king doesn't exist in the books.

This post was edited by Blah58 on May 2 2019 11:47am

For those who cry it was too dark.... it was the whole point

Now we got Emilia Clarke out here hyping episode 5 as an even bigger episode, am I supposed to believe this now?