im ignoring nothing. but you're ignoring that at light speed objects can have far more devastating force than a missile, which is what they planned to take the giant structure out with. why break it up when u can break right through it?

the only explanation is that Holdo is some genius and everyone else is so dumb that this hasnt even occurred to them.

Strawman won't help you, friend.

You say that as if you presented any argument to turn into a strawman?



I mean I previously said I don't think small ships would work for that because their jump to light speed is fairly instant, so you would have to be crashing into the dome already for a jump to damage it with such a small ship, which again is unrealistic. Also there is no ai to do it, so it would be guaranteed suicide, not something you can ask a bunch of pilots to attempt with no guarantee that it could even be done. Especially when you have a reasonable plan, such as a ground team to get you a way in.

The problem here is that pre TLJ we all had a coherent idea of how light speed worked, instant and straight with no collisions with solid matter. then after TLJ we have to come up with a bunch of unexplained rules involving "run up distance" based on approximate ship size. then further speculate what that would do versus different stuff.

thats bad story telling, changing the rules without explaining the rule change.

I mean previous movies show a "run up distance" though?

And even if I agree that Rian changed the rules, which I don't think he did, it still isn't as bad as what JJ did.

In TFA he had a line where he called Han insane for attempting to jump into a planets atmo, then in RoS he had that entire sequence of like 5 or so jumps between/onto planets and shit which was just absurd, but also proves my point of small ships not having a big enough "run up" to do any reasonable damage to anything.

i never perceived the stars "drawing a line" on screen as a run up in reality, i just thought they did that visually to appease fans to let them know whats happening.

in reality i dont see a reason small ships or large ships need a run up. if they do they'd collide with all sorts of matter as they approach light speed. it should either be instant or not exist. i like the idea of only light speed objects being able to pierce shields better, its more consistent.

edit: i mean i like it more for consistency, not that i like the choice to make light speed a weapon, at all.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 23 2019 02:51pm

I'm not talking about that, they actually show extreme acceleration and deceleration of the ships that jump in and out of light speed for a very small moment of time before they vanish(There is a video montage on YouTube you can look up). The distance is pretty inconsistent, but considering the different ways the movies were made and in the story telling I don't see it as an issue. You would probably be more on point with the effects if you knew you were going to use it as a story element at some point.

I think you were the one who said you forgive some of the issues between 1-3 and 4-6 because they didn't know about 1-3 when they made 4-6, so I don't think it is unreasonable to do the same in this situation.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Dec 23 2019 02:56pm

if there was even one single shred of proof this was Rian's thought process i'd applaud him for studying the old films. Hell i LOVE solo just for the fact that it closed the parsec "plot hole".

instead i think its fairly clear Rian didnt have a plan at all. and we're just two fans speculating about how physics could work in a universe that a multi million dollar director never spared a thought for.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 23 2019 02:59pm

I mean most things people speculate about in regards to things like this, which they end up calling people genius' for, are almost all happy coincidences, doesn't change that you can make them work.

I'm not entirely convinced that Rian actually knows that light speed is more of a warp rather than actual light speed travel. That scene in the movie certainly makes a lot more sense from the "actual light speed" perspective, doesn't mean it can't also work in a way that makes sense within the universe

This post was edited by Blah58 on Dec 23 2019 03:06pm

i both agree and disagree. take Harry Potter for example, FULL of plot holes. but the big stuff is fairly well step be step explained. how the elder wand changed allegiances, etc. Or like game of thrones, where almost nothing is explained, making everything speculation and mystery. i think people should strive for one or the other. Robert Jordan's wheel of time series for example has very well explained magic.

Lucas didnt explain much of anything, and when he tried (medichlorians) it was a disaster. i think the sequels should have tried to follow his lead more. deal with how things worked and not try to change them. dont make storm troopers a good shot, and dont fuck with the weapons in play. make meaningful characters, make good well paced plots, use CGI to enhance scenes not make them entirely, draw from nostalgic characters for a reason (rather than shoe-horning them in).

to me the new trilogy tries to hard to make new cool shiny gadgets a thing, while also cloning old characters and simplifying them. sometimes fan fiction is harder than making a new story, because your story needs to fit nicely with an existing one. i think JJ/Rian could have done a great trilogy set 10k years before or after the OG trilogy. piggy backing was a mistake.