I love all the arguing and insulting going on over a video game.....Yall seriously need to find a better way to spend your time. Like going out into the sun! Lack of vitamin D is bringing these forums down ;).

Lw and grief.....both are sexy. do what makes you happy, it is after all a video game and there are more important things to argue over.

Holy Shit you obviously still don't get what he is trying to Say Last Wish > Grief In PVM obvious

Grief > Last Wish in Legit Dueling

Grief for PVM Smites Way more damage than LW> ( Fucking Obvious everyone Knows it )

Last Wish Damage Wise will never ever exceed Grief or smite Ubers Faster than Grief ( Fucking Obvious )

Over all cost and effectiveness and flexibility ?

LAST WISH > GRIEF 100 TIMES OVER

You don't have to make a pure smiter to do UBERS its PVM For Goodness Sake .

The difference is the time you need to kill which is 20 to 30 second difference MAX. And that is if your " Hammerdin with 1 Point smite / 1 point fanaticism wears a pair of war travs , if a pair of gores is being replaced then it will cut down the timing between a LW and a Grief within 15 to 10 seconds.

And yesh !!! Smiting Ubers and collecting and selling torches like 15 / 2 Druid Torches or 15 / 11 Nec Torches actually gets you Massive Forum Gold like 2 to 3 Fg Per on 1.13 Patch

FFS instead of building a pure retarded Uber Smiter to farm torches you might as well use those Fg to make 2 or more Botting Hammerdins and bot with them .



Dieing in Uber means your character have problems even if it is 3 out of 80 Times . My 1 Point fana Hybrid Smiter with Last Wish never dies. Maybe your after 80 Runs and collecting 70 Plus shitty Torches you got a little tired maybe.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 28 2011 07:16am

LoL ya all 3 times it was just I pressed my juvies too late. cause no switch life tap so, I had to rely on gloves to give. my skills were
20fanat
20smite
20HS
20zeal(to activate life tap faster)
1-2 points into all res for meph
and the rest were allocated to get the skills.

and I didn't have any perfect gear. Infact my greif was prop the worst of the gear, I had equipped. I had NO PROBLEMS with my build whatsoever. And the best torch I ever farmed was my 15/15 pally torch. I did a couple of 10/20 or 20/10, but never perfect.

best torch ive found was 20/18 sorc torch

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Can you see how this build compares to the ones you have calculated for it is a cheap alternative and can be adjusted easily with Exile and LW. Probably can work Grief in as well for a nice setup. With Kira you no longer need Raven at all since it has CBF and resists. Dext is not needed on smiter from the Raven. Upping the Hoz and Gores make it an even better build. 2x Bk is nice for added skills as well as the life bonus. Have tried it with Mara and with Seraphs liked the Maras better. Crushing Blow is a far more useful tool than the raw damage on a smiter. When Crushing blow is activated, it takes a percentage off of the monster's remaining HP. In the case of the prime evils, that number is 12.5%, or 1/8. Damage reduced is really nice on this build as well.

Kira's Guardian with an um rune
Chains of Honor (archon plate works best- good resale value, too)
Dracul's Grasp
Gore Riders
Verdungo's Hearty Cord
Heaven's Light with a Ber Rune can put 2 to get near 50 % CB. The pally skills bonus is a nice add. 20 IAs as well.
HoZ with an Um
BK x2
Maras

Total Resists: 222-252 (that's without Anya's scrolls... You're covered when
Meph uses conviction)
Total Crushing Blow: 56%
Chance to Cast Life Tap: 5%

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With exile instead of HoZ, it looks like this:
Resists: 150-180
CB: 56%
CtC Life Tap: 20%

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With Last Wish (assume you won't use exile- you shouldn't; you won't need it)
Resists: 222-252 (plus the CtC fade)
CB: 75-85%
CtC Life Tap: 15%

Keep Nigma in stash to do org runs.

For those that are going to flame, try the build out first, it is an option to Greif and LW.

This post was edited by HawkKnight on Mar 8 2011 04:23am

i don't have time for any more calculations.
use the original calc order and switch items accordingly.

I think a ber'd Astreons Ward would be better than heavens light buts thats just my opinion

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