Quote (weez82 @ Jul 27 2011 07:45am)

lmao, you guys are still going on about what to use for a smiter,  . Who the F cares if someone uses a different build than yours, who cares if build A kills ubers 10secs faster then build B? Different builds do different things, if dont want to worry about meph one shot killing you then use gear that will prevent that. If you dont care and just want to kill them as fast as possible then use a build that will do so. They both get the job done, end of story!

Quote (Lightman @ Oct 11 2010 07:05am)

Last Wish vs Grief - Ubers

Conventional Grief setup:

Helm- Guillaume's Face. (Ort)
Shield- Upgraded Herald of Zakarum. (Um)
Amulet- Highlord's Wrath.
Armor- 'Duress' runeword, mage plate.
Gloves- Dracul's Grasp.
Boots- Goblin Toe.
Ring 1- Raven Frost.
Ring 2- Dwarf Star.
Belt- String of Ears.
Weapon- 'Grief' phase blade
+Damage: +400


Conventional Last Wish setup:

Helm- Guillaume's Face. (Ort)
Shield- Upgraded Herald of Zakarum. (Um)
Amulet- Highlord's Wrath.
Armor- 'Fortitude' runeword, archon plate.
Gloves- Dracul's Grasp.
Boots- Goblin Toe.
Ring 1- Raven Frost.
Ring 2- Dwarf Star.
Belt- String of Ears.
Weapon- 'Last Wish' phase blade
+Damage: +0


DPS Skills
20 Smite (Slvl 30) [+450% ED]
20 Fanaticism (Slvl 28) [+509% ED]
20 Holy Shield (Slvl 30) [+107-110 Smite damage]

Strength
Starting Attribute
Strength: 25
+Strength from items:
Guillaume's Face +15, Herald of Zakarum +20, Dracul's Grasp +15, Hellfire Torch +20, Annihilus +20.

Overall Strength: 115. [+115% ED]

Enhanced Damage Equipment
Grief setup:
+20%. (Duress)

Last Wish setup:
+300%. (Fortitude)

Enhanced Damage Auras
Grief setup: None.

Last Wish setup: Might Slvl 17 [+200% ED]

Total Damage


Last Wish setup:

(46+108+0) * (1+4.5+1.15+5.09+3+2) = 154*16.74 = 2577.96 (2,577)

Raw-damage vs Mephisto: 2577*0.8 (-20%) = 2061.6 (2061)
Raw-damage vs Diablo/Baal: 2577*0.5 (-50%) = 1288.5 (1288)

Grief setup:

(46+108+400)* (1+4.5+1.15+5.09+0.2) = 554*11.94 = 6614.76 (6,614)

Raw-damage vs Mephisto: 6614*0.8 (-20%) = 5291.2 (5291)
Raw-damage vs Diablo/Baal: 6614*0.5 (-50%) = 3307

Damage difference ratio: 1:2.56. Grief is 256% more efficient, raw-damage-wise.

Crushing Blow
Grief setup: 75% (15/20)
Last Wish setup: 100% (20/20)

Applying "Worst Cast Scenario" to Grief setup: CB applies to the last 15 of each 20 strikes (Less %HP drained overall).

Uber Mephisto/Diablo/Baal
Level: 110
HP: 650,000-660,000 [Average- 655,000]
Mephisto %DR: 20%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.8 (-20%) = 10% [1/10]
Diablo/Baal %DR: 50%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.5 (-50%) = 6.25% [1/16]

Last Wish smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% 'NewResult' -2061 HP remaining )



Last Wish smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% 'NewResult' -1288 HP remaining)



Sequence [34] + Sequence [55x2] = 144 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 35.12 Seconds.

Grief smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% [15/20] 'NewResult' -5291 HP remaining)



Grief smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% [15/20] 'NewResult' -3307 HP remaining)



Sequence [33] + Sequence [51x2] = 135 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 32.92 Seconds

Conclusion: Grief is faster, if only by a negligible amount of time, even in the "Worst Case Scenario".

Cost
Last Wish: 5 High Runes, 1 Mid Rune (Mal).
Grief: 1 High Rune, 1 Mid Rune (Mal).

FAQ:
Q: Last Wish offers Fade, more Life Tap chance and 25% extra Crushing Blow. How does Grief setup compensate for all that?

A: You get everything from a Grief setup.

Crushing Blow
'Duress' runeword + Guillaume's Face + Goblin Toe = 75% Crushing Blow (CB). Damage sequence has shown a lesser %CB setup still outweighed 100% CB in overall DPS.

Life Tap
+1-3 'Life Tap' (LT) wand (XX charges).
Initial cast, switch to main. Further proccings will occur from Dracul's Grasp.

Fade
Prebuff 'Fade' Slvl 15 ( >Slvl 11 from Last Wish), #1 stand in a fire or #2 stand, shield taken away (recommended), in front of an Undead Archer mob / Quill Rat mob.

Quote (Lightman @ Jul 27 2011 06:36am)

clearly missed the entire point. that's why i wrote a conclusion in simple english for the slower noodle'd ones.

Quote (aingster1 @ Jul 27 2011 10:00am)

This should be a sticky for noobs. Yet for more of a fun end I would prefer a zeal. business end this is a must since it's faster. Time is money after all 

Quote (Lightman @ Oct 11 2010 05:05am)

Last Wish vs Grief - Ubers

Conventional Grief setup:

Helm- Guillaume's Face. (Ort)
Shield- Upgraded Herald of Zakarum. (Um)
Amulet- Highlord's Wrath.
Armor- 'Duress' runeword, mage plate.
Gloves- Dracul's Grasp.
Boots- Goblin Toe.
Ring 1- Raven Frost.
Ring 2- Dwarf Star.
Belt- String of Ears.
Weapon- 'Grief' phase blade
+Damage: +400


Conventional Last Wish setup:

Helm- Guillaume's Face. (Ort)
Shield- Upgraded Herald of Zakarum. (Um)
Amulet- Highlord's Wrath.
Armor- 'Fortitude' runeword, archon plate.
Gloves- Dracul's Grasp.
Boots- Goblin Toe.
Ring 1- Raven Frost.
Ring 2- Dwarf Star.
Belt- String of Ears.
Weapon- 'Last Wish' phase blade
+Damage: +0


DPS Skills
20 Smite (Slvl 30) [+450% ED]
20 Fanaticism (Slvl 28) [+509% ED]
20 Holy Shield (Slvl 30) [+107-110 Smite damage]

Strength
Starting Attribute
Strength: 25
+Strength from items:
Guillaume's Face +15, Herald of Zakarum +20, Dracul's Grasp +15, Hellfire Torch +20, Annihilus +20.

Overall Strength: 115. [+115% ED]

Enhanced Damage Equipment
Grief setup:
+20%. (Duress)

Last Wish setup:
+300%. (Fortitude)

Enhanced Damage Auras
Grief setup: None.

Last Wish setup: Might Slvl 17 [+200% ED]

Total Damage


Last Wish setup:

(46+108+0) * (1+4.5+1.15+5.09+3+2) = 154*16.74 = 2577.96 (2,577)

Raw-damage vs Mephisto: 2577*0.8 (-20%) = 2061.6 (2061)
Raw-damage vs Diablo/Baal: 2577*0.5 (-50%) = 1288.5 (1288)

Grief setup:

(46+108+400)* (1+4.5+1.15+5.09+0.2) = 554*11.94 = 6614.76 (6,614)

Raw-damage vs Mephisto: 6614*0.8 (-20%) = 5291.2 (5291)
Raw-damage vs Diablo/Baal: 6614*0.5 (-50%) = 3307

Damage difference ratio: 1:2.56. Grief is 256% more efficient, raw-damage-wise.

Crushing Blow
Grief setup: 75% (15/20)
Last Wish setup: 100% (20/20)

Applying "Worst Cast Scenario" to Grief setup: CB applies to the last 15 of each 20 strikes (Less %HP drained overall).

Uber Mephisto/Diablo/Baal
Level: 110
HP: 650,000-660,000 [Average- 655,000]
Mephisto %DR: 20%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.8 (-20%) = 10% [1/10]
Diablo/Baal %DR: 50%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.5 (-50%) = 6.25% [1/16]

Last Wish smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% 'NewResult' -2061 HP remaining )



Last Wish smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% 'NewResult' -1288 HP remaining)



Sequence [34] + Sequence [55x2] = 144 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 35.12 Seconds.

Grief smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% [15/20] 'NewResult' -5291 HP remaining)



Grief smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% [15/20] 'NewResult' -3307 HP remaining)



Sequence [33] + Sequence [51x2] = 135 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 32.92 Seconds

Conclusion: Grief is faster, if only by a negligible amount of time, even in the "Worst Case Scenario".

Cost
Last Wish: 5 High Runes, 1 Mid Rune (Mal).
Grief: 1 High Rune, 1 Mid Rune (Mal).

FAQ:
Q: Last Wish offers Fade, more Life Tap chance and 25% extra Crushing Blow. How does Grief setup compensate for all that?

A: You get everything from a Grief setup.

Crushing Blow
'Duress' runeword + Guillaume's Face + Goblin Toe = 75% Crushing Blow (CB). Damage sequence has shown a lesser %CB setup still outweighed 100% CB in overall DPS.

Life Tap
+1-3 'Life Tap' (LT) wand (XX charges).
Initial cast, switch to main. Further proccings will occur from Dracul's Grasp.

Fade
Prebuff 'Fade' Slvl 15 ( >Slvl 11 from Last Wish), #1 stand in a fire or #2 stand, shield taken away (recommended), in front of an Undead Archer mob / Quill Rat mob.