do you wear treachery throughout the run? no
might gives ED
you sacrifice other gear for CB that i can get with 2 items

face it buddy, grief requires other items to be successful in Ubers while Last Wish doesnt

even you admit that, Last wish alone on a character basically ensures victory, cant say the same for Grief

also why fret over slots when i rarely take damage if any? im not a grief user

i can use slots for anything applicable, more space in inventory = 1-2 extra charms if needed(but i have LW so i dont need those either)

you spent alot of time doing math in a slanted argument, but you forget to realize theres more to an item that simple damage. yes you can get LW benefits from other items but then that defeats the ease of doing ubers.

LW provides: safety, damage, ease of use

LW is like driving automatic
Grief is like stick

you can drive faster with stick but more work goes into it(IE extra items)

The ED given by Might was added in the original post, and even under the best circumstances was no where near Grief performance. 400 damage > 200% ED.
The CB I get from items is still optimal. I repeat, 75% CB +400 Damage > 100% CB +200% ED.
Last Wish can be a one-in-all item for a hammerdin who wishes to perform an Uber run, but even mine uses Grief when it wants to and is still faster.
What makes you think using LW will make you more impervious to damage than using Grief? That made no sense, I'm sorry. I've already explained how to reach a sufficient amount of resistance with little to no effort.

I am still befuddled as to how you regard the Ubers as "Hard" without using Last Wish. If anything, it makes a Zealer's time there worse, what with Hit Blinds Target, and the significant damage loss in not maxing Smite while using a much more inferior weapon such as Last Wish.

hit blinds target is actually a boon in dealing with minions

smite only vs uber bosses

im not arguing damage with you, but yet you still go on about it

LW as an ITEM is superior to grief. it offers more in a smaller package. less resists necessary, dracs unnecessary, exile unnecessary. guillaumes unnecessary, charms for resists unnecessary(translates to more overall life)

luckily for me, i found my CoA(Pits) i would never trade for it lol but my uber paladin wore all the items i didnt need for my duelers, while you uber smiter needs specific items to be successful all mine needs is last wish and the rest can be literal garbage and ill still breeze through ubers with little worry

also on pure damage and speed vs the actual bosses

i wouldnt use dracs at all

i would have lacerator on switch and use astreons ward, precast amp and smite away, with juvies and precast fade ubers shouldnt take more than 15-20 seconds

This is like committing suicide without very expensive Equipment.
And the safety is better in this case.

Just shut up, you don't know, what you're talkin' about.

who are you talking to?

secondly have you ever used an amp/decrep build in ubers?

its very possible and its superior to life tap if you have good enough items

No, no and no to every other claim you've made in this thread.
Since you've said Zeal/1Point Smite is so superior to a pure Smiter, you must be using Zeal against the other mobs/spawns, do you not? How does LW's 'HBT' mod fall into that category? Complete damage loss, 25% extra CB that don't compute well once CB has overrun its purpose (Closing to 1/10th of HP globe in an average scale, pending %DR, even less than that), and on top of everything, HBT mod on a Zealot/Semi-Smiter.

As for resistances, since you simply must insist:
Anya x3- +30@
Guillaume's Face 'Ort' - 30% LR
Herald of Zakarum 'Um' - +72@
Duress- 15% 15% 15% 45% CR
Highlord's Wrath- 35% LR
Annihilus/Torch- +40@
Salvation Slvl 8- +93@
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235@, 300% LR, 265% CR
Hell mode + Conviction Slvl 20 (Uber Mephisto) = -225
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10@, 75% LR, 40% CR

Not using any small charms, not even including prebuff Fade. Could use 4 more small charms 10%-11% CR clean ones to attain 75% CR if I wished, or simply prebuff Fade (+65@ Slvl 15). That is the "Entire inventory assessment" regarding your exaggerated affront against using the inventory or prebuffing for exactly 2 seconds, while wielding Grief.

So basically, it comes down to 4 small charms or a few seconds of standing in a fire, while attaining +400 damage directly to Smite (Crucial when reaching diminished life percentile, %CB effective only in minuscule degrees) VS. 25% more CB, which is established be inconsequential and quite irrelevant in small HP amounts, 200% ED from Might aura, and absolutely no other adds.

CoA is by far the worst helmet slot choice for a UT character, of any sort.
Guillaume's Face costs exactly 1 FG, sometimes given for free, and is found in abundance during gameplay.

I use CoH, Zaka, and guills, with dracs verdungos and gores(not even upp'ed) with a greif pb and i always pwned. I had 40 base str and i had close to 2.5k health around 83. ofc i had inv with torch anni and numerous charms for max dmg or life. I liked the set-up minimum chance to die. I nvr had a switch wand so i did carry full belt of full juvies, but all in all I died maybe 3 times out of 80 runs. Any noob with half a mind can uber.



I forget what gives you that... but i did try on mini ubers that andy lookin chick and it did do a bit better, but in the end it will kill you.

This post was edited by durtmat on Jan 27 2011 10:32pm

You receive far too much damage.
I don't like wasting a full belt of Juvs (with Max Resists with Conviction, 10k Def and MB + Barb BO), just because i want a bit more speed.

LT is superior to any curse in UT.
The only exception is a Summoner, because he can slow Meph and the two others down to slow motion. This results in way more safety than loads of leeched Life.
On the other hand, a Summoner can control the curses - when the Merc is about to die, you can cast Life Tab for a short while.