This thread is about Last Wish versus Grief and considering the fact that the maths is done to compare which is better when doing ubers damage wise , its all about which weapon is better to use .

Learn to read and stop QQing just because the build I mention is more ideal and flexible than making and leveling one extra retarded smiter just to PVM smite ubers.

You want to QQ about Ubersmiters go to the Paladin sticky section for uber smiters

And for the d2 pvp part for goodness sake , just because you can't afford decent gear and join legit tourneys on D2Jsp it doesnt mean the rest of us can't.

Go get some decent gear and join tourneys instead of pvping in random pubs full of modders and if you can't beat the modders join them .

And if you can't get some decent gear because u are shit poor Go try your luck crafting amulets or edit your darn bot script instead of making a supreme pvm smiter owning the computer AI and selling 15 / 12 druid torches for 2 Fg on Jsp.

Use some brain dude and stop crying all the time when you get own in pubs and complain about cheaters and hacks

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 26 2011 03:57pm

2 seconds while standing in the fire for the fade to procc is even faster than casting BO, which I presume you do.
No, the damage calculation for 1 point Smite vs full Smite does not even come remotely close to one another.

Yes, the title is Grief vs Last Wish, namely after Uber Smiters as the original post 'hints'.
I have yet to be convinced as to how an overly costly setup that takes 100% more time (~32 seconds vs 1 minute) is considered effective to you.

And no, I can simply have Salvation on while finishing Mephisto and avoid the inventory, while maintaining a decent FPA Smite with enough IAS from proper equipment selection.

This post was edited by Synonym on Jan 26 2011 04:29pm

i didnt even need CTA

exactly my point

what i get in a smaller amount of items you need to carry around in stash

my 1pt smiter doubled as a mule too

and please get it straight, its not taking you 32 seconds to do uber. why? because you have to precast things that i dont. which adds more time than me no trips to town, no rejuvs. my belt is filled with town portal, antidote, thawing and 1 set for rejuv just in case

it might take you over 5-10 minutes to do organ sets that might only take me 2.

once again, mine = cheaper...and faster. and god forbid i dont have some of the items i have, salvation is available for all paladins

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Jan 26 2011 06:25pm

Why do you waste 4 rows of belt when you can have an easily attainable 20 stack tome?
Why even bother with antidotes and thawing potions?

The DPS calculation revolves around the time taken to kill the ubers.
You have yet to show me a linear calculation or even a presentation on how your setup is better. I can tell you now, it isn't. Not according to math, not according to experience and not according to any other reason you may have had or will have in the future.

I would love to know how Last Wish is cheaper than a Grief, and how CoA is cheaper than a Guillaume's Face. I can keep going.
However this is not the case here. DPS is, which yours completely lacks.

Would also like to know how you've figured a 2 second prebuff amounts to 5-10 minutes? My entire run, from start to bottom lasts no more than a minute, trips included. At some points I've stopped prebuffing from the sole reason I know how to preemptive Tap and Smite. Those who cannot yet fully grasp it, who are still novice in some way, will take great benefit from this prebuff, nonetheless.

my partner who did ubers with me had your setup and was significantly slower during organ sets, and got hit much more often

im not going to do math for a video game, ive done enough runs to know

i had both items to judge and trust me i would have sold the last wish if it was inferior but its not. when i realized what i had i remade the character(this was before tokens) to 1pt smiter

zeal >>> smite with everything except bosses. its faster and makes the runs faster

all the extra strategy you need in your inferior build i dont need, why have a tome when i dont need them? i dont die or have scares, i dont need pots because i rarely get hit, thawing potions i used to hold when i fought blizz sorcs back in the day for fun, antidotes just to quickly knock poison off. nothing wasted really. its just novelty honestly. i had a completely filled inventory because he doubled as a mule had only enough space to fit newly found torch and organ set + keysets

I'll stop this here and now.
The math is in the first page. All the other reasons were laid in front of you several times. If you wish to present something better, by all means, have your attempt.

I am not even trying to convince you not to use Last Wish. Do what you will. Only know it cannot possibly out-DPS any given Grief setup, even under the worst circumstances on Grief's part.

As to your belt selection claims:
-Poison should do next to nothing when you have so much stack. Even under the slim chance of being in any scenario where you need to get rid of any poison effect (Cannot think of any situation, but as you wish), simply flash Cleansing.
-Thawing is useless when you should be using at least 1 Raven ring.
-The tome is for convenience reasons, not death in any way. 20 stack in 2 slots > 4 stack in 4 slots.

This post was edited by Synonym on Jan 26 2011 07:29pm

damage isnt everything

we've been saying this for 4 pages now, but you keep acting like we're arguing damage

Grief may have damage but LW has damage plus safety

LW wins

Last Wish gives:
- No damage what so ever- On weapon %ED does not affect smite
- Lower Fade than Treachery
- 70% CB, which can bring any given setup to 100% with LW. Grief can have up to 75% with +400 direct damage to Smite. Which is better? You have seen the answer in the first page, if not please do so.

Oh, and that little mod called "Hit Blinds Target" takes away LT when you Zeal. Not such a good thing.

Good night.

This post was edited by Synonym on Jan 26 2011 07:33pm

Stfu, face it you lost an arguement over the internet.

This post was edited by uNoTopia on Jan 26 2011 07:47pm

You do 2 time as much dmg with grief.
You leech more when you do more dmg.
Life leech = safety.
Safety = grief.

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