No need Rands

Mine is 2 Builds in one how does that make it more expensive than yours .

Such items on non ladder is uber cheap and even on ladder they are easily obtainable as long as it is not the first 3 to 4 weeks

Obviously when u are comparing between grief and last wish we are talking about either mid ladder or late ladder where u have more than enough hrs to spare making such items

There is also such a thing call bot which can be obtain easily , we are no longer in Patch 1.12 .

I collect about 4 to 5 Jahs / Bers a week and not to mention other Hrs like Los and Vex and Ohms

Even a shit Bot who MF mephy / pindle / Andy and Shenk can get you hrs easily

I don't see why mu build is expensive when all you need is a Last wish Phase blade and the rest of your items are basic hammerdin gear

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 26 2011 08:04am

1st, you were not addressed in this reply.
2nd, your setup is much too flawed to begin with, and is perhaps the lowest DPS one I've seen in a while.

If you payed the game yourself you might actually learn the basics

Then feel free to gtfo.

Good thing you know that
so feel free to do it

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 26 2011 01:43pm

If you actually play the game you should know what the hell is Pvm

Unless you are telling me you are completely crazy about Player versus Monsters then well fair enough , you absolutely have to make a Pure Smiter to do Ubers within 32 to 40 Seconds so as satisfy the accomplishment of killing them time after time and tell all your

Friends on Jsp , Hey guess what !! I just did ubers within 32 to 40 Seconds and I didn't need to Pot at all , I did ubers without using Juvies and Healing Potions and I have max out resist after Mephy's Conviction !!. At this point I really can't say anything because you would have won all the arguments.

If Not , Having a Last Wish PB / 1 Point into Fana on Your Hdin is the best and most Ideal Situation.

1 . You don't have to make another Paladin Solely for ubers ( Waste Time ) Its no longer 1.12 patch where you can do uber leveling .
2. You don't need a separate set of gears to do Ubers.
3. You don't need to use Sandbox to open up another D2 to get a teleing sorc or put a nigma in your stash just to tele to mini ubers if you are collecting organs or ask your friend to help you tele to mini ubers.
4. You don't need to charge and smite / zeal your way to the mini ubers if you don't have a nigma in stash or your friend to help you
5. You can clear crowds if you must by switching to your cta and still hammer @ 75 Fcr and Tele @ 75 Fcr Speed . and you do 10 - 11 K Hammers
6. Its not as fast as a Grief Setup for sure but it does the Job very well and probably slower by 20 to 30 seconds .
7. Last but not least , why the hell would anyone care about " DPS" when you are dealing with Player versus monster , unless it is so shit that u can't even do the Job properly
8. Last Wish Versus Grief , LW > GRIEF For PVM anytime , Save your character space , save you from making another character , save you from one extra set of gear and seriously its only " PLAYER VERSUS MONSTER "

By the way , this build is using wartravs , if a pair of gores is being worn , it would have cut down the time by at least 15 - 20 seconds which makes this build 20 second max slower than a Grief Setup

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 26 2011 01:48pm

This is a pvm forum and d2 pvp sucks anyway with all those cheaters and hacks.

Once again, this topic is about pure uber smiters, which people do build so you can stop QQ'ing about your 75 fcr hammerdin.

i dont even need charms

secondly im a 1pt smiter build, i only need to use smite vs lilith, uber duriel,izzy, and uber meph/diablo/baal

zeal handles everything else, the build i had NEVER died nor needed a rejuv or precast of fade etc. and the rare chance i get hit, fade will trigger.

like i said, yours ends up taking more time with prep than mine does. you may "kill" them faster once youre there. but all i need to do is open the portals and go. thus the superiority and run speed. my guy didnt even have charms, i saved those for my dueling characters

also this thread is NOT about Ubersmiters. its about Last Wish vs Grief.

otherwise the thread title should be changed. if you are going to argue about two weapons all factors(and all characters imo) should be considered

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Jan 26 2011 03:04pm