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Aug 23 2017 12:25pm
Quote (Retrovirus @ Aug 23 2017 04:54am)
You can't just dismiss certain arguments because you don't like them or they refute your rhetoric.



Quote (Retrovirus @ Aug 23 2017 02:06pm)
I don't think anyone here is denying that PlugY makes certain aspects (item storage, stats/info, Dclone/Uber's, etc) of the game easier, what he was arguing was:

So everyone that uses PlugY is a cheater and HE's items into the game? In all my walks, I've had to work to get all my items. "Everything comes free"? Ha.

Also:

What I take away from this is: "If you can't play the game the way I think you should, you might as well use HE and load a lvl 99 with gz items."

What kind of logic is that?


I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The "If you can't play the game the way I think you should, you might as well use HE and load a lvl 99 with gz items."-argument is not mine, its yours; you guys who defend it like religious people defend religion. And again, can't stress this enough, I don't care if you use it. I always followed good WTs regardless and people with plugy could always compete in farmathon.

What I don't understand are the comparisons. You guys compare being able to edit d2 files manually with hero editors but fail to see the irony in the "I have a life so I don't mind using XX"-argument.
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Aug 23 2017 01:02pm
Quote (ixwichs1 @ Aug 23 2017 09:28am)
oh, this aimes at me i guess! :ph34r:

well, since everyone is commenting on this topic, i feel like posting something too.
I play on SP and not on bnet, because i dont want lag and realm downs and i want the save files of my chars myself, and not at blizzard, because my last 2 bnet chars got deleted because i didnt play for 3 month. they were several years old...
i use plugy because i like the big stash. i want to keep items for several builds on the same char, that needs some room.
i want ladder rws, because once my walk is finished, after killing hell baal, i continue playing to get really good eq. And that needs ladder rws.
i like the option of killing DC and doing ubers because i like the challenge. If you do it on P8, it really is one!
And now about the socket thing: i dont use any socket qs until hell baal is dead. Then, when most guys end their walks, but mine just is about to start, i want these socket quests. Rule is, not to use more than 3 socketed items at once. But as said before, different builds need different items, and then i want the socket in that item.
If you dont like that, dont read my walks, thank god, there is always my name on it.

everybody should play the game the way he enjoys it.

its only cheating if you lie.


THIS!
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Aug 23 2017 01:07pm
Quote (sebhehe @ Aug 23 2017 11:25am)
I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The "If you can't play the game the way I think you should, you might as well use HE and load a lvl 99 with gz items."-argument is not mine, its yours; you guys who defend it like religious people defend religion. And again, can't stress this enough, I don't care if you use it. I always followed good WTs regardless and people with plugy could always compete in farmathon.

What I don't understand are the comparisons. You guys compare being able to edit d2 files manually with hero editors but fail to see the irony in the "I have a life so I don't mind using XX"-argument.

I don't have a beef with anyone here and I don't want to. I think it's a misunderstanding of what some people's viewpoints, with regards to PlugY, truly are.

My take away so far is this:

People who dislike PlugY don't like the way the mod changes the game. Some even try to say the mod in itself is a cheat. I see cheating as not being transparent and lying.

Some comments in this thread has also suggested that PlugY users are somehow more susceptible to cheating. Correlation is not causation.

I do have a "life" - career, wife, family, other interests; much like many in this sub forum do - so because I choose to play D2 with the additions that PlugY has to offer, this is somehow frowned upon by some? How I choose to play this old game should not impact someone so much. But it seemingly does.

People who like/use PlugY: we like the way PlugY changes the game and don't understand why that bothers the PlugY haters.

I guess at this point most will just have to agree to disagree. I don't feel threads like these are constructive or promote unity in a shrinking community.

Sorry for the novel. I hate writing this much.

This post was edited by Retrovirus on Aug 23 2017 01:12pm
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Aug 23 2017 01:08pm
Quote (sebhehe @ Aug 23 2017 10:25am)
I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The "If you can't play the game the way I think you should, you might as well use HE and load a lvl 99 with gz items."-argument is not mine


"And the "but I have a life so..."-whatever argument is totally retarded. Just load a 99 char with whatever you want then, no time wasted."

That was you, dude

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Aug 23 2017 01:50pm
Anna poikien pelata niinkun ne haluaa.Ei se o keneltäkään pois. Huijaajat jää kiinni aina.
Och samma på svenska.
And the same in English.
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Aug 23 2017 02:22pm
Quote (olmi @ Aug 23 2017 12:50pm)
Anna poikien pelata niinkun ne haluaa.Ei se o keneltäkään pois. Huijaajat jää kiinni aina.
Och samma på svenska.
And the same in English.

Finnish?
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Aug 23 2017 02:24pm
Quote (Retrovirus @ Aug 23 2017 12:22pm)
Finnish?


Yes. Let the boys play how they want.

Darra is a Finn
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Aug 23 2017 02:31pm
This is how I picture both sides of the PlugY argument.

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Aug 23 2017 03:16pm
Quote (Retrovirus @ 23 Aug 2017 22:22)
Finnish?


Jusst let boys play as they want, No one loses.
Cheaters gonna get get caught always.
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Aug 23 2017 03:17pm
Quote (Khboer @ Aug 23 2017 08:08pm)
"And the "but I have a life so..."-whatever argument is totally retarded. Just load a 99 char with whatever you want then, no time wasted."

That was you, dude


Yes, but the "I have a life so I can do XX" was definately not me.
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