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Oct 7 2018 05:27pm
Quote (Xasthur @ Oct 8 2018 09:44am)
It's close to impossible to have perma elder / shaper on burials, which is auto NO NO for T16.


How are they sustaining lairs? Density isn't the best in the world + sextant situation is just bad. And no elder/shaper?


Too short. :(


I do underground sea but I know plenty who do burial.
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Quote (sicky8392 @ 8 Oct 2018 00:55)
much complain

Actually, I've just tested it, because I am facing similar decision myself. I ran 1 of each map white with 0 extra mobs. Here are the results:
gorge - 374 (yeah right, definitely worth using elder orb on it)
grotto - 704
sea - 756
burial - 681 (kinda surprised here)

Quote (Plaguefear @ 8 Oct 2018 01:27)
I do underground sea but I know plenty who do burial.

Burials are great. If we only could have perma elder / shaper there. Maybe some of you managed to do that?

This post was edited by Xasthur on Oct 7 2018 07:05pm
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Quote (Xasthur @ Oct 8 2018 02:03am)
Actually, I've just tested it, because I am facing similar decision myself. I ran 1 of each map white with 0 extra mobs. Here are the results:
gorge - 374 (yeah right, definitely worth using elder orb on it)
grotto - 704
sea - 756
burial - 681 (kinda surprised here)


Burials are great. If we only could have perma elder / shaper there. Maybe some of you managed to do that?


Its pretty easy to hold elder/shaper influence on burial chamber.
After 2-4 runs you need to run another map and you still get any influence back on the map, works fine and doenst cost much time (barrows/cemetry/ashen woods/dunes) ^^
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Oct 8 2018 03:57am
Quote (GoSuOne @ 8 Oct 2018 03:13)
Its pretty easy to hold elder/shaper influence on burial chamber.
After 2-4 runs you need to run another map and you still get any influence back on the map, works fine and doenst cost much time (barrows/cemetry/ashen woods/dunes) ^^

>pretty easy
>After 2-4 runs you need to run another map

PICK ONE
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Oct 8 2018 06:23am
underground sea

very nice pack size, ez boss on t16 ( lol boss ... )

works well for me ... using shaped bog and siege for helping sustain ( delve vaal / abyss city of course drops nice maps as well ! )

important :

- scour all "standard" t15/t16 to sustain !
- roll monster pack size to 30+ ( vaal the map between 25 and 29 pack size )
- use zana beyond mod
- use sextants
... if you like to elder/shaper ping-pong on this map, i myself dont
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Oct 8 2018 06:48am
Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 14:23)
works well for me ... using shaped bog and siege for helping sustain ( delve vaal / abyss city of course drops nice maps as well ! )

Bog is empty. Siege has weird layout after last change but I didn't bother to learn it, so maybe it isn't that bad after all.

Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 14:23)
scour all "standard" t15/t16 to sustain !

I like keeping waste pool as well.

Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 14:23)
- roll monster pack size to 30+ ( vaal the map between 25 and 29 pack size )

And drain all alchs in no time. I run 90+ IIQ without any changes. I vaal everything between 20-28ish pack size.

Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 14:23)
use zana beyond mod

Bloodlines are better for maps, even without IIQ.

You forgot about fragments and prophecies. :P
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Oct 8 2018 08:33am
Quote (Xasthur @ Oct 8 2018 01:48pm)
Bog is empty. Siege has weird layout after last change but I didn't bother to learn it, so maybe it isn't that bad after all.


I like keeping waste pool as well.


And drain all alchs in no time. I run 90+ IIQ without any changes. I vaal everything between 20-28ish pack size.


Bloodlines are better for maps, even without IIQ.

You forgot about fragments and prophecies. :P


yeah the options here are quite huge what to do :D

iiq does not count for maps if i am informed correctly, does it?

@bloodlines : interesting, maybe you could explain why this works better compared to beyond? :) ty
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Lair or sea
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Oct 8 2018 11:10am
Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 16:33)
iiq does not count for maps if i am informed correctly, does it?

Map quantity itself does.

Quote (0x00 @ 8 Oct 2018 16:33)
@bloodlines : interesting, maybe you could explain why this works better compared to beyond? :) ty

Magic mobs like to drops meps and they all drop +1 tier.
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