I see, I thought the table was for 0 WSM. Essentially need to add 15 to the EIAS numbers?

Yes you are correct:
Here is the explanation.

One of the breakpoints had a wrong number in formula (stupid copy paste error).

I posted it, and then later saw there was a mistake, and edit button was still available.
I quickly fixed it and snipped that table again, and put it in the paint image. Then reuploaded and edited the post..

Meanwhile i has most likely been checking a breakpoint of military axe prior to snipping the table at second time.

I still have both tables in imgur for you to see my fault was on attacks per seconds with 3 breakpoint having same number there:
EIAS TABLE DRUID https://imgur.com/a/wqv0rU2

Basicly mean that eias table (fury, 1hs) is shown with different wsm/sias/ias inputs.

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 8 2022 02:10pm

A little off topic

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d2r/t/patch-2-druid-ias/111923/76

Looks like we have confirmed that ss attack will always be pulling the data from the chat who does the shapeshifting.

Which also match the observation on bear sorc has a much lower attacking speed than bear druid.

In other word....almost all other bear form is screwed

Thanks for this info, i was already exspecting it to work like that, but nice to have it confirmed

I also noticed a brain lag in my topic first post:



This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 8 2022 03:19pm

i did try a bearsorc and it dealt 16k-68k dmgs full geared with Beast Caduceus as a weapon it did hit fast enough but slower than before

Thanks mate. Good stuff as usual.

Simple and fast werewolf pvp guide:
Hybrid fury + rabies.
68fcr
You also reach 105frw.
And 2 different shield setup depending on how important the range adder is.

Example:
Grief pb + Stormshield '7fhr/15@' + arach + trangs + 2/20/30'CHAM+15ias/15@' diadem + 10fcr/adds ring + wisp/raven/bk/dwarf + HL + Gores = 68 fcr break, 150EIAS break, light abs, 43% dr, max block, 77% deadly strike.
Swap: Death web 5/-55/2 + 20/-20 jmod.

Fury + rabies.

Cube in invetory:
Cta + demon limb + maras + soj + bk
torch
annie
8 shape skillers
mix of 3max/ar/life and life/5@ scs
Maby something FHR, depending if needed in next patch or not.

If need rangeadder:
Eth Botd GT
= same attack pr sec as grief. (60+20+15 = 95, breakpoint is 83ias)

Sacrifice 1 ias break if want 99fcr(same for both setups):
HL --> 2/20/adds
Wisp --> 10fcr/adds

Swap to DW side AFTER activating rabies to get max damage.

AR is buffed on both attacks.
Damage is buffed on Rabies.

Im unsure how biting attacks are handeled now.
I assume they took away biting frames and is same as paw/normal attacks now.

If i want +2 range adder berzerker axe + stormshield i go:
Grief ba + 15ias jool + HL = 75.
54 ias is the 5/3/4/3/7 breakpoint(as fast as eth tomb in d2lod). And im free to choose between 68 and 99fcr without loosing ias break)

Also feel free to put on a spirit if its relevant for easier 99fcr break.

Skilling:
1 oak, how, raven, spirit wolf, direwolf, grizzly, artic waste, cyclone armor, 1feral rage.
19 werewolf to reach 76 ias with 8 skillers and a cube for gm cta cast.
20 psn creeper
20 rabies
20 fury
20 lycan(sacrifice this at lower levels)
= 99 skills.
Remaining skills can be invested in werewolf and oak.
(Ideally myself i max werewolf prior to lycan for ar reasons)

Psn creeper now adds 20% instead of 18% to rabies.
Lvl 40 rabies base without syntenergies = 5849.
We also use trang oul gloves (25% psn damage)
5849*(1+(400/100))*(1+(25/100)) = 36556.

However we switch trigger max damage with 4 facet jmod(+20/-20) and +5/-55%/2 all skills.
6598 * 5 * 1,5 = 49485 rabies dmg, with -75% pr and plr.
Assuming enemy char still maintain 75% pr, he will have -100 plr in hell even if he use up to 75 psn lenght reduce gear.
49485*0,17*0,25*2 = 4206 life taken from an enemy maintaining 75pr after psn res pierce.

Rabies used to land its hit super fast due to like 3 or 4fpa action frame. Hower it should now still be fast. 4-6 fpa action frame.

Rabies is unblockable. And can be triggered via summons or party members. Rabies also kill 1 lifed chars, it dont stop at 1 like other psn.

So all in all we are looking at a greater build than what i current have in d2lod with the exception of the 40 stats, 5% more dr the bug belt gave, yet some of theese stats are won by using a good diadem compared to the valk 08 i used. And i also used botd ba as 1 handed wep, those 30 stats give a lot of life as end result when statting dex for max block. However grief is way better damage and -12,5% enemy def in pvp.

Rabies and fury also has 3% more ar pr level.
So we May want to have a look upon the balancing between life and ar compared to my d2lod build.
Please dont build 10k lifed shapers, those are bad builds who cant catch enemies. It does not help to be tanky when u cant deal damage.
If life is more important than direct physical damage you May choose eth botd ba as block setup.

Attackspeed fpa:
We have 75 ias with grief. 95 ias with botd.
Grief pb: 54ias needed, 4/3/3/3/6 (stays on fcr ammu setup)
Grief ba: 54ias needed, 5/3/4/3/7 (stays on fcr ammu setup)
Eth botd ba: 95 ias breakpoint, 4/4/3/4/6(droos down 2 if fcr ammu, you May use ias jool in shield to just drop 1)
Eth botd giant thresher: 80 ias breakpoint, 4/3/3/3/6. Drops down 1 breakpoint if ias ammu.

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 8 2022 04:26pm

However grief is way better damage and -12,5% enemy def in pvp.
Wait this actually works in PvP?, I always thought it was useless.

Interesting guide, I never considered sacrificing some oak sage points in favor of WW, but now that WW also gives IAS, it might be worth it, also because extra AR.
My current plan is 6 hard points in WW, 1 pt each summon, max oak sage, max lyc, max fury, 20/15 on both firestorm synergies, and one point cyclone. This is all I can get at my current lvl 97.
But after reading this, maybe I can relocate some points from oak sage 🤔🤔, it is true it dies quite often anyway…
My plan is to reach 73 IAS WW, which allows me to use Grief BA at 3 frames just barelly with 40 ias grief + 30 ias helm +15% shaftstop + 20 glove + 20 amulet, and Ebotd Gt with 28% extra IAS, but perhaps a few more points in WW would be best which would give a bit more flexibility (but not on Grief BA unfortunatelly only with ebotd GT)

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 8 2022 04:34pm

Stormlash and pheonix ctc nado and firestorm build:
Just for fun. PVM build.
Pheonix no longer Delays attacks.


Lets see what we need if we gonna make both stormlash + pheonix syntenergied as much as possible.
We choose eth reapers merc i guess with might. Treacury + guilaume cham.

We choose HL for ias and skill and deadly strike.
We choose jalas cause we need too boost werewolf lvl for free skill ias to have points for syntenergies.
We choose 8 shape skillers to boost werewolf level.
We need a dual leech ring and a raven, so no skill points there.
We have annie and torch (4 skills)
And we cast bo/bc (1skill)
We keep belt free for usage of strings.
Gores for dmg.
LOH for dmg and ias.

8 to druid/all skills
11 shape skills

At level 99 we put:
1 how, oak, 1raven, 1 werewolf, 1 lycan, 1 feral, 1 rabies, 1 fury.
20 cyclone
20 twister
1 nado
20 hurricane
1 firestorm
18 moulten boulder
20 fissure

Werewolf Skill ias:
68
Base -10
FPD: 19

We seem to need 105 ias for second best ias break.
4/3/3/3/7 = 6,25 attacks per second
LOH-HL-Treachury-Eth Stormlash = 115ias.

Average damage of Scourge:
41,5
41,5 * 1,5(eth) * 4(300% ed) = 249 average dmg wep.
We use 9 x 3max/ar/life scs. = 13,5 average dmg.
249 + 13,5 = 262,5 average base dmg.
Fury ed%: 423
HOW ed%: 76%
Lets assume 150 str: 150*1,1 = 165 ED.
Lvl 20 might: 230% ed
52% deadly strike.
52% crushing blow.
10% ow(stops repl of ubers and such)
Lvl 15 fade. Gives us 30% dr in combi with Strings.

Vs regular mobs: 262,5 * (1+((423+76+165+230+400)/100) * 1,52 = 5562 AVERAGE dmg. 4/3/3/3/7 FPA
VS demons: 262,5 * (1+((423+76+165+230+400+350)/100) * 1,52 = 6958 AVERAGE dmg. 4/3/3/3/7 FPA
VS undeads: 262,5 * (1+((423+76+165+230+400+50)/100) * 1,52 = 5761 AVERAGE dmg. 4/3/3/3/7 FPA

Hurricane:
Current Skill Level: 28
10: Cold Damage: 895-968
Chills/Freezes target.
(optional to use)

20% chance to cast lvl 18 nadoes dealing 1491-1619 damge. (average 1 pr serie, 1 serie last: 20 frames. 25/20 = 1,25 pr second. Its ofc AOE dmg.
40% chance to cast lvl 22 firestorm dealing 1209-1403 per second. (last 1,4 seconds, big scaled monsters such as bosses may take 3 times the damge, is AOE dmg, 2 cast pr fury serie)
Equals: 6,25*0,4 = 2,5 per second.
-28 enemy fire res (pheonix)
-50 enemy physical res (merc) (also helps crushing blow a lot)
% slow vs enemies and % weaken effect to enemies.
18% chance to cast statics.
1-514 light dmg to help vs physical immunes with stoneskin.
Zoo for meatshield
Pheonix for insta heal of mana and life. Unsure if it heals summons/merc.

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 8 2022 04:50pm

Yes, my d2lod druid has 6,8k life when in wolf shape with oak up, yet i bet the realms has never seen anything remotely effective pvp shaper.