Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 24 2021 08:19am)

I'd like to take some time to figure out if firewall and other collision spells are different and if so, why.
We can't take the existence of stuff like size and collision tiles and nextdelay and whatnot for granted and just assume it works the same as d2 since there are clear examples of differences

In original d2 it just spawned one (immobile fire patch) missile for each tile the invisible spawner units move over, and each of those 1-tile sized fires deals a fire dps per frame, 1/75 of the listed fire damage on the skill. It assumes 3 fires will overlap, so 3 fires * 25 frames per second.
so the actual damage rate came from the size of the opponent and what angle the fire passed through it, since that could be 1-5 missiles in a straight line depending on size and angle. For 1/3, 3/3 and 5/3 the listed dps.

If people are reporting that firewall is dealing more dps and blizzard is being more reliable and movement around minions is different, its possible all these issues have the same common root cause, that something is different about how collision tiles are checked or size of monsters. Size 3 monsters in d2 have 13 hurtbox tiles, 9 collision tiles and 5 obstacle tiles and 1 selection tile. What if those footprints were different in d2r? But it could be other causes too. What if the firewall missiles in d2r are being spawned multiple times on the same tile. What if they are dealing 1/25 of the listed skill damage instead of 1/75.
not easy things to figure out

Quote (adamu @ 30 Oct 2021 03:27)

Only a fucking noob thinks BA is better than PB for smite

Quote (DiAbLoIsMyWhOLeLiFe @ Oct 30 2021 08:54am)

Pb has a faster base weapon speed then ba though? I’m confused ofc it’s going to be faster switching from Ba to PB. (Reacting to the video posted)

You’d need to gain the extra ias you lost in weapon switch to get 6 frame with BA.

Quote (Sumbro @ Oct 30 2021 09:45am)

you mean 5 frame?

Quote (DiAbLoIsMyWhOLeLiFe @ Oct 31 2021 12:50am)

Yea sorry 5 frame, ty

It doesn’t help showing a static ias and then swapping between a slower/faster weapon. A 36 ias pb is still faster then a 40ias BA.You obviously missed the ias BP using the BA and hit with the pb and it’s because the base weapon speeds are different PB obviously being faster.

Quote (Cleav3r @ Oct 30 2021 10:32am)

Just FYI, I'm not a "tech" guy and I'm not responsible for calculating the ias BP for each weapon to reach 5f
The topic of this thread is that BA Grief is not as good as it was before because PB can reach 5f now very easily and the video is just to validate my point because a few guys don't believe me without that video (if you have read the first few posts)
This thread, however, has brought out a few amazing people doing the research and calculations, which is great

Quote (adamu @ 30 Oct 2021 02:27)

Only a fucking noob thinks BA is better than PB for smite