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Mar 28 2022 08:00am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 28 2022 03:35am)
ZvZ is meant to be dueled on a bridge map, which enables players to walk/corner opponents, and therefore if the match is over an hour long it means that either (a) its not on a bridge map or (b) both players dont now what good ZvZ looks like or (c) both players are comfortable to just make it a sniping match (this is common, but not bm, and the lower repl limits the better).



the bolded was:



SvS is not a melee duel, both players are not meant to be inscreen vs each other for the entire round. its a case of one chasing the other, while the other is also actively trying to kill the chaser. if you think both players are meant to only have 1 engagement per round I would beg to differ. Casting Blizz in an opponents suspected traveling path is normal, as is firing FB trains. There is a fine line between that and being too passive.

Ultimately as a referee I have to weigh up my words carefully before making a statement noting I am not looking for drama or to negatively change behavior ingame, or in the round/match. Why dont YOU play 1 match vs any sorc in this tournament, upload the video and show us how its done. Chad has already uploaded 1 of his matches. To be honest Chad's temperament is great here. He is actively promoting SvS and the competitiveness of his opponents, via his comments, intentionally.

In the round there is now a SvS ladder and if thats the one takeaway that came from this tournament, then great. Long may SvS continue, thrive and grow.


Here's a great example of 200 vita fire vs 200 vita fire involving a contestant from this tournament:


Obviously this is aggro vs aggro, a player can be defensive but to play a 200 vita fire like you're an inferior on es fb or something, just is and will always be cringe. I've got nothing against Chad either, he seems alright. But a tourney winner shouldn't claim more skilled if they play a certain way to win, imo.

This post was edited by tommyd323 on Mar 28 2022 08:03am
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Here's a great example of 200 vita fire vs 200 vita fire involving a contestant from this tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZahMTJKOpY


That is indeed a very good example of aggressive play on the part of 2 VitaFB's. I personally dont believe a VitaBlizz can play like that though. I am happy to be corrected on this via a corresponding video. to reiterate: thats a good video and thank you for posting that.

Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 28 2022 03:00pm)
But a tourney winner shouldn't claim more skilled if they play a certain way to win, imo.


he is hot blooded and raising everyones fighting spirit, by speaking in the spirit of legit dueling. I am not defending him, I am merely providing a viewpoint on what I am seeing in the topic. He is the baddy the community needs in order for the community to grow. very selfless on the part of Chad XD.

While it may seem that I am defending him, this is not the case. I am not taking sides at all, but rather objectively looking at the publicity which is being freely provided. if that makes any sense.

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Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 28 2022 09:00am)
Here's a great example of 200 vita fire vs 200 vita fire involving a contestant from this tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZahMTJKOpY

hey thats me :blush:
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 28 2022 09:08am)
That is indeed a very good example of aggressive play on the part of 2 VitaFB's. I personally dont believe a VitaBlizz can play like that though. I am happy to be corrected on this via a corresponding video. to reiterate: thats a good video and thank you for posting that.

again me vs scboi, got 5-2d but as u can see i duel same on bliz, agro af lol

this was 6 years ago b4 any1 used the -res setup, so this ormus does like 2/3 the dmg?
so best believe im probably more agro on bliz on now :evil:

anyways, dueled with chad last night and hes less defensive in non-competitive duels, was a lot better and more fun. - no bad blood
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Quote (Gemmd @ Mar 28 2022 04:48pm)
hey thats me :blush:

again me vs scboi, got 5-2d but as u can see i duel same on bliz, agro af lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x7jueeHxgA
this was 6 years ago b4 any1 used the -res setup, so this ormus does like 2/3 the dmg?
so best believe im probably more agro on bliz on now :evil:

anyways, dueled with chad last night and hes less defensive in non-competitive duels, was a lot better and more fun. - no bad blood


This was also a good video showcasing aggressive play and is relevant to the parameters (i.e. Fire vs Cold). I would have liked to have seen more stomps but I accept the video is related to distance. thank you for posting!

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This was also a good video showcasing aggressive play and is relevant to the parameters (i.e. Fire vs Cold). I would have liked to have seen more stomps but I accept the video is related to distance. thank you for posting!


maybe ill have a bliz for next tourny ^^
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Quote (Gemmd @ Mar 28 2022 04:55pm)
maybe ill have a bliz for next tourny ^^


If I had my way I would have 8+ players in a Blizz vs Light Tourny (i.e. no Fire), only for those classes to be more widely used. I dont see that happening anytime soon. Hopefully more people will stay for nonladder pvp after the first D2r Ladder.

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This was also a good video showcasing aggressive play and is relevant to the parameters (i.e. Fire vs Cold). I would have liked to have seen more stomps but I accept the video is related to distance. thank you for posting!


Here you go: this is the equivalent of chad vs Icey when it comes to builds

As you can see scboi plays extremely aggressive vs iplaycoldsorc who could 4 hit him, and still wins with relative ease.
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Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 28 2022 12:53pm)
Here you go: this is the equivalent of chad vs Icey when it comes to builds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKEHVhBfns
As you can see scboi plays extremely aggressive vs iplaycoldsorc who could 4 hit him, and still wins with relative ease.


that orb kill tho :ph34r:
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Mar 28 2022 12:25pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 28 2022 10:53am)
Here you go: this is the equivalent of chad vs Icey when it comes to builds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKEHVhBfns
As you can see scboi plays extremely aggressive vs iplaycoldsorc who could 4 hit him, and still wins with relative ease.


Quote (ferdia @ Mar 28 2022 08:59am)
If I had my way I would have 8+ players in a Blizz vs Light Tourny (i.e. no Fire), only for those classes to be more widely used. I dont see that happening anytime soon. Hopefully more people will stay for nonladder pvp after the first D2r Ladder.


Curious, I just asked Gemmd not too long ago if using Orb as a finisher is considered BM lol.
It's pretty similar to fire sorc using Firewall as finisher, both are pretty good.
Are any of these cases considered off limits per the rules?

EDIT: thunderstorm is a pretty cheesy finisher as well and it is allowed, i'm assuming the former should be allowed as well?

This post was edited by lylboifrm23 on Mar 28 2022 12:27pm
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Quote (lylboifrm23 @ Mar 28 2022 01:25pm)
Curious, I just asked Gemmd not too long ago if using Orb as a finisher is considered BM lol.
It's pretty similar to fire sorc using Firewall as finisher, both are pretty good.
Are any of these cases considered off limits per the rules?

EDIT: thunderstorm is a pretty cheesy finisher as well and it is allowed, i'm assuming the former should be allowed as well?


you already know my opinion ^^
fw is a manual ts tho, more skill ofc

orb is just blind fire spread. cheap imo but to ea their own. even if it was allowed i wouldnt.

ill repost this in ladder thread tho, since rules could be different in tournys.
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