Quote (Poog @ May 17 2020 10:28pm)

Just want to 2nd what Jakee said.

He bought the axe to use in casual duels and never attempted (or planned) to use it in tournament or ladder play. He never attempted to mislead anyone by claiming it was legit for resale or any other purposes. It seems clear to me he didn't intend any wrongdoing. Why else would he have said to Adam "Diablo dropped it"? He was obviously not trying to obscure the sketchy origins of the axe.

Once Tonice/Hengster raised the alarm, B0ba and I talked to Jakee and Jakee immediately volunteered to pursue a refund from Yakkus, which Yakkus graciously agreed to. Jakee no longer has the axe. He wasn't trying to do anything fucked up, and once it was pointed out that it's still BM to buy hot gear, even if for casual use, he made it right.

Tonice - I know you're trying to protect the integry of melee and all but this all feels very personal and biased against Jakee. You post makes it sound like Jakee is a "repeat offender" - but:

1) With Estim's gear it was a totally different situation and once he discovered they were stolen and sold fraudulently on the other site, Jakee offered to eat the cost and return the items to Estim.
2) Your post neglects to mention the measures Jakee took to make it right with Blood Cleaver - i.e. returning the axe

I get that it's easy to be skeptical and say Jakee only returned the item cause he got caught, but keep in mind that he made no real effort to hide what he was doing. Seems clear to me he didn't understand or intend any wrongdoing, and once it was called out to him, he got rid of the axe.

Quote (Jamaal @ May 17 2020 09:07pm)

No one buys a high grade weapon to just use for fun. It sounds like he had intent to use it secretly but was caught red handed. Hence him trying to back track afterwards. If he wanted to return it....why the fuck even buy it in the first place??

Quote (Jamaal @ May 18 2020 12:07am)

No one buys a high grade weapon to just use for fun. It sounds like he had intent to use it secretly but was caught red handed. Hence him trying to back track afterwards. If he wanted to return it....why the fuck even buy it in the first place??

Quote (Jakee @ May 17 2020 11:13pm)

You can PM hengster on discord right now and ask him if I was caught red handed. I most definitely was not. I Had a long conversation to him about the axe , there was not a single time I used a stolen weapon when I was dueling in a tournament. I had the item for literally 16 hours. After I found out that everyone goes bat shit crazy about it I returned it. I’m not saying I’m innocent , because I’m not lying about anything here. So why keep pressing the issue? I’m not playing the victim here , I haven’t said shit. I’m being attacked.

Quote (Poog @ May 17 2020 11:14pm)

I understand your skepticism, but anyone who knows Jakee knows that he is willing to pay up for items, lol. It would not be out of character for him to buy something at that price point just for fun.

And if he had intent to use it secretly, why did he send a screenshot to Hengster? Adam is a trusted tag user and a well known figure in melee. Hengster would naturally inquire about the origin of the axe - there are supposedly only 2 or 3 blood cleavers on East.

If you were sporting stolen gear and intending to keep it a secret, sending a screenshot to Hengster is virtually the last thing one would want to do.

It’s clear Jake just planned to have fun with it, which is why when shit blew up, he was like “woah didn’t expect this blowback, my bad, I’ll return the axe”

I know stolen items are a sensitive issue especially these days, but the fact pattern doesn’t fit Jake intentionally being BM at all.

Let the man play and let’s get UGML alive again

Quote (Jamaal @ May 17 2020 09:19pm)

LOL? You knew the item was stolen. You've commented in the past knowing it was stolen. Adam asked where it came from. You said Diablo because you knew it was stolen and you didn't want to tell the truth. Or else you were playing dumb and acting like you didnt know it was stolen, when you clearly did. Still doesn't answer the question: If you knew it was stolen, why even buy it in the first place if you were just going to get a refund? It doesn't add up.

i stopped reading after the first line. Also if anyone knows Jake its that he buys stuff just to re sell things almost within a week.

Quote (Jakee @ May 17 2020 11:20pm)

You obviously have no clue about anything behind the scenes. Just listening to everyone’s opinion and reading 1 sentence from a screenshot.

Quote (Jamaal @ May 17 2020 09:21pm)

I'm reading all of the screenshots. It still makes zero sense to even get a stolen weapon just to get a refund on it.

And this is the second time now?

I want to hear your side plz

Quote (Jakee @ May 17 2020 11:22pm)

The first time was a mistake, items were sold to me by a hacker who claimed the account of someone on d2gd

I just wanted to use an item for fun , I told hengster if de logged in today I would’ve given him the axe no issue. I returned that axe after everyone blowing up. Problem has already been solved so now what else do you want me to say?

Quote (Jamaal @ May 18 2020 12:23am)

So you still knowingly bought a stolen item....?

and the first time you didn't think buying a gfg item from some rand was raising a red flag?

Quote (Jamaal @ May 17 2020 09:23pm)

So you still knowingly bought a stolen item....?

and the first time you didn't think buying a gfg item from some rand was raising a red flag?