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Quote (eric_mendoza @ Jan 30 2010 02:04am)
i would like to propose rule change ;o lsfdjsaljfalfjk

i would like to propose zealers and conc barbs dont get to use fort!!!!
i think its unfair because while you guys are using fort and doing 11k dmg -.- (which is already unfair because i need some 14 max gcs to hit that high) you are also able to use highlords making your dmg range massive massive were we are put at a disadvantage because we cant use highlords (or hardly ever can) and if we can its usually a huge gamble of weather we get that big hit or not.. and it doesnt start at IF we get the big hit its even IF we get a hit at all.................

It is also very hard because that shift in defense you get does make a difference in how much ar or if you wanna think about it what setup we has to use... and we can chose on to compensate for the chilling but then personally i have hard time hitting you at begging of duel.. and same goes for if i chose the setup that i can hit when you dont have chilling casted

so i proposed it...... even though i know everyones gonna be like just make a zealer then or not care because nobody cares about the disadvantage gaps so long as their class is the strong -.- ldsjaflsadjfsldafjlsafjaslfj cause thats how all you zealers are!! SELFISH!!! ;)  ldjfsaljflsadfjsajfslafj


First off it wouldn't really be fair to ban fort from zealots and conc barbs while letting furies still use it. I personally never even really used fort on my zealot as I liked shaft a lot more and never had any trouble beating fort zealots. It's really not an overpowered item at all so wouldn't make much sense to ban it imo. Furies have trouble beating a zealot regardless of what setup the zealot is using so you can't just blame fort :)

Quote (PreZident Brennon @ Jan 30 2010 02:45am)
1.13 respec options for my four other level 99s, so I got myself a perfect eth up shaft..


Lols forgot you had all those 99s. Jealous :(

This post was edited by dark-soul on Jan 30 2010 02:17am
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United Guilds Melee Ladder (U.S. East Non-Ladder)


Ladder Council Members & Guild Leaders

Darkken of the Dark Tavern
SirSteve1of Melee
LilNeko of MILITIA
PreZident Brennon of the Palapk Nation
hengster of Playboy


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<Challenge System Please Read Before Submitting New Challenges>

1) Have fun!! (No Rage Drama BM or Bullshit you will be Removed/Banned If there are Multiple Complaints about you)
2) To be added to the Ladder post Jsp Name/D2 Acct/Char Name- Type of Char
3) Allowed to challenge up to 2 ranks above you until you get to #5 then you must duel Everybody to get to #1
4) You Must Pm the other party about the challenge FIRST then post challenge in this topic.
5) GM Melee Rules Apply to all Duels See Page 1 for Rules
6) Challenge will be best 2/3 sets First to Six Must Win each set by 2 Duels
7) You may Change Gear 1 time during a Set and 1 time between each Set
8) If you Issued the Challenge Must wait 12 hours after Completion of Challenge to Issue another Challenge
9) If you lose a Challenge you must wait 48 Hours to Rechallenge the same Person
10) 3-Day Dodge Rule (Afk, No-reply, No-show = Auto-Loss) 2 Consecutive "Dodges" = Removed from Ladder

(If you Cannot Complete Your Challenge on Time it is your Responsibitly to PM your Challenger to Inform
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30 Jan 2010 01:45 36) 9012lance/lancerafael72/Falling_Bricks-Conc Challenged 34) Drae/Drael/Narciss- Conc
30 Jan 2010 00:41 3) D2Child/Child-/Jabroni- Zeal GuildLegion Challenged 2) Scorpxxxx/Scorpxxxx/Scorps_Sabbith- Zeal PalapkNation
Jan 29 11.20pm 18) Fusa /Bellerophon/ClickAndHold- Fury Challenged 16) MK9/Mjp/Crocop- Conc
Jan 29 7.43pm 7) D2Child/Child-/Cuny- Conc Challenged] 5) Obisent/Deathwing24/Testing- Zeal
29 Jan 2:17pm 9) Eric_Mendoza/Eric_Mendoza/Erics_DRUIDwolf- Fury Challenged] 8) TDS123/Remains/iRyan- Zeal
Jan 29 12:23am 11) Blood_Myst /Blood_born/Anubis- Fury Challenged 10) Zealot /Pala/Herold- Zeal
Jan 28 10:18pm 15) D2Child/Child-/Cnbf- Fury Challenged 13) vera/Davis./Coltrane- Conc


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1) PreZident Brennon/PreZ_of_the_PN/PN_PreZidentII- Zeal PalapkNation

2) Scorpxxxx/Scorpxxxx/Scorps_Sabbith- Zeal PalapkNation

3) D2Child/Child-/Jabroni- Zeal GuildLegion

4) Darkken/Nexxus-4/Darkken- Conc

5) Obisent/Deathwing24/Testing- Zeal

6) Fusa/Bellerophon/T_T- Zeal

7) D2Child/Child-/Cuny- Conc

8) TDS123/Remains/iRyan- Zeal

9) Eric_Mendoza/Eric_Mendoza/Erics_DRUIDwolf- Fury

10) Zealot/Pala/Herold- Zeal

11) Blood_Myst/Blood_born/Anubis- Fury

12) Prog/Progknowsys/Pagan - Fury

13) vera [Davis./Coltrane- Conc

14) Lordofthorns/LordofThorns/ArcAngelOfLight/Zeal

15) D2Child/Child-/Cnbf- Fury

16) MK9/Mjp/Crocop- Conc

17) CoffeeMasterX/XsethirothX/Vikodin- Conc

18) Fusa/Bellerophon/ClickAndHold- Fury

19) Drael/Drael/Whisp- Zeal

20) Evil_Stalker/Evil_Stalker/Goodwill- Conc

21) Resilience/Cleaver/Zealer- Zeal

22) RedVII/RedVII/Galbatorix- Conc

23) DaWn/banditcom/Stocctown- Zeal

24) Speedskater2003/Speedskater2003/MyLittleHolyMan- Zeal

25) F150_Redneck/F150_Redneck/Guy_HarveyII- Jab

26) ArtyFan/grr1234/ArtyPenDragon- Zeal

27) coolychilly/ jeanjean/DAUM- Conc

28) cambovenzi/sonnymoore/SonnyMoore- Zeal

29) Greniator/Green96/Poid- Conc

30) smok3dro4dayz/Smok3dro4Dayz1/SmokeDroFukHoes- Zeal

31) RedVII/RedVII/Murtgah- Zeal

32) veilinx/veilinx/Pitch- Fury

33) JAYZONE/JAYZONE/Strongest- Zeal

34) Drael/Drael/Narciss- Conc

35) barbarianalliance/bloodsport/Northmen- Conc

36) 9012lance/lancerafael72/Falling_Bricks- Conc

37) D2_XyZ/AlexS./Ballad- Zeal


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This post was edited by PreZident Brennon on Jan 30 2010 02:48am
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Quote (eric_mendoza @ Jan 30 2010 02:04am)
i would like to propose rule change ;o lsfdjsaljfalfjk

i would like to propose zealers and conc barbs dont get to use fort!!!!
i think its unfair because while you guys are using fort and doing 11k dmg -.- (which is already unfair because i need some 14 max gcs to hit that high) you are also able to use highlords making your dmg range massive massive were we are put at a disadvantage because we cant use highlords (or hardly ever can) and if we can its usually a huge gamble of weather we get that big hit or not.. and it doesnt start at IF we get the big hit its even IF we get a hit at all.................

It is also very hard because that shift in defense you get does make a difference in how much ar or if you wanna think about it what setup we has to use... and we can chose on to compensate for the chilling but then personally i have hard time hitting you at begging of duel.. and same goes for if i chose the setup that i can hit when you dont have chilling casted

so i proposed it...... even though i know everyones gonna be like just make a zealer then or not care because nobody cares about the disadvantage gaps so long as their class is the strong -.- ldsjaflsadjfsldafjlsafjaslfj cause thats how all you zealers are!! SELFISH!!! ;) ldjfsaljflsadfjsajfslafj

I have to say this is one of the more ridiculous things I have heard.
If youre going to ban Fort you have to ban it across the board you cant let druids/ Jabbers wear it if nobody else can.
Personally I dont see anything wrong with fort its just another build and yes it does give u alot more damage but you give up alot of defense DR and other attributes,
Either way if its banned its banned for everybody.
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Quote (dark-soul @ Jan 30 2010 03:12am)
First off it wouldn't really be fair to ban fort from zealots and conc barbs while letting furies still use it. I personally never even really used fort on my zealot as I liked shaft a lot more and never had any trouble beating fort zealots. It's really not an overpowered item at all so wouldn't make much sense to ban it imo. Furies have trouble beating a zealot regardless of what setup the zealot is using so you can't just blame fort :)



Lols forgot you had all those 99s. Jealous :(


:) i agree with you..mostly but lets take in account what a fort zealer for example does to a fury druid. a fury druid most likely uses an 86 fhr bp, regardless fo the fhr bp, to even trigger fhr you need to hit 1/12th of the chars life, which most duris have beteen 8k-11k lifeish. As we all know fury druids are highly susceptible to fhr. NOW, that being said, given a zealer with max ias bp and fort means that most of the time a zealer can hit every-time, a very large dmging hit which will make us go to fhr and then to fhrl lock seeing as how they get to achieve 4fpa where as druid on most normal occasion can only obtain 5fpa (just a nore: fhr lock means thatyou cannot attack because you are stuck in trying to FHR). AS for barbs using fort there are set ups which can defeat them. eric needs to remember that eve though barbs can get that mass dmg/ def, druids gett hat mass dmg, life. But ofc it if sooo much more satisfying to kill fort ppl wit a druid so heh.

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Quote (Blood_Myst @ Jan 30 2010 09:29am)
:) i agree with you..mostly but lets take in account what a fort zealer for example does to a fury druid. a fury druid most likely uses an 86 fhr bp, regardless fo the fhr bp, to even trigger fhr you need to hit 1/12th of the chars life, which most duris have beteen 8k-11k lifeish. As we all know fury druids are highly susceptible to fhr. NOW, that being said, given a zealer with max ias bp and fort means that most of the time a zealer can hit every-time, a very large dmging hit which will make us go to fhr and then to fhrl lock seeing as how they get to achieve 4fpa where as druid on most normal occasion can only obtain 5fpa (just a nore: fhr lock means thatyou cannot attack because you are stuck in trying to FHR). AS for barbs using fort there are set ups which can defeat them. eric needs to remember that eve though barbs can get that mass dmg/ def, druids gett hat mass dmg, life. But ofc it if sooo much more satisfying to kill fort ppl wit a druid so  heh.


well see ive been asking the barbs about the dmg with fort.. druids really dont get mass dmg with fort compared to barbs or zealers.. every barb i have asked (AND they were build all defensive...) dmg was much greater then mine.. much greater then mine when i was using a jalas 30 max'd... and ss 30 max'd... how far do i have to go to be equivalent dmg of a barb -.- let alone a zealer... i mean even with how i cant reach 11k dmg with those 2 itms and i know i have a bit of less strght then the average druid... but the + strght MOST druids have on me isnt gonna make up 1.5k - 3k dmg that im missing..

when i first joined i was told druids : high dmg high life zealers: fast ias high defense conc: high defense ( i was always under impression they got shafted.. i dont know) but fort has been coming in stronger recently and i no longer have that high dmg advantage -.- its like zealer: high ias high defense higher dmg.... and its not only higher dmg it higher dmg with GREAT ds options... that a druid doesnt usually get

Quote (SirSteve1 @ Jan 30 2010 09:14am)
I have to say this is one of the more ridiculous things I have heard.
If youre going to ban Fort  you have to ban it across the board  you cant let druids/ Jabbers  wear it if nobody else can.
Personally I dont see anything wrong with fort  its just another build and yes it does give u alot more damage  but you give up  alot of defense DR and other attributes,
Either way if its banned  its banned for everybody.


and its so crazy that other realms have done it and once again as i brought up on ladder.. zealers dont have to worry about fhr (passing the fact u can get fhr lock just talking recovery time) zealers just stack up on dmg left and right druids have to take the fhr into consideration docking a druids ability to stack that dmg up to be a equivalent opponent...

i only see zealers stating its unfair 8( is this because druids are to powerful for the zealer who has like 20 aromrs it can chose from!?!?!?!

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Quote (eric_mendoza @ Jan 30 2010 12:29pm)
well see ive been asking the barbs about the dmg with fort.. druids really dont get mass dmg with fort compared to barbs or zealers.. every barb i have asked (AND they were build all defensive...) dmg was much greater then mine.. much greater then mine when i was using a jalas 30 max'd... and ss 30 max'd... how far do i have to go to be equivalent dmg of a barb -.- let alone a zealer... i mean even with how i cant reach 11k dmg with those 2 itms and i know i have a bit of less strght then the average druid...  but the + strght MOST druids have on me isnt gonna make up 1.5k - 3k dmg that im missing..

when i first joined i was told druids : high dmg high life  zealers: fast ias high defense  conc: high defense ( i was always under impression they got shafted.. i dont know) but fort has been coming in stronger recently and i no longer have that high dmg advantage -.- its like zealer: high ias high defense higher dmg.... and its not only higher dmg it higher dmg with GREAT ds options... that a druid doesnt usually get



and its so crazy that other realms have done it and once again as i brought up on ladder.. zealers dont have to worry about fhr (passing the fact u can get fhr lock just talking recovery time) zealers just stack up on dmg left and right druids have to take the fhr into consideration docking a druids ability to stack that dmg up to be a equivalent opponent...

i only see zealers stating its unfair 8( is this because druids are to powerful for the zealer who has like 20 aromrs it can chose from!?!?!?!


What realms have banned fort? They even have glitched forts on west that are considered gm, europe = east rules so fort is gm there too.. unless you're talking about asia in which case i'd have no idea.
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Quote (dark-soul @ Jan 30 2010 12:24pm)
What realms have banned fort? They even have glitched forts on west that are considered gm, europe = east rules so fort is gm there too.. unless you're talking about asia in which case i'd have no idea.


i dont know i will find out 8( regardless its not the dmg that i care about even though i made a big deal about the dmg -.- its the shift in defense tbh... i know it happens with fury druids to but we have such low defense it doesnt matter... and fury druids are known for having tempormental needs for attack rating (well i havent talked to every druid in the world... but...) thats my only thing i mean conc and zealer you have your set marks of ar and you hit... pretty much.. end of story

im done though -.- its a paladians world here even IF i got every fury druid to agree with me i still lose cause there are more zealers and ofc they will disagree 8(
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