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#91
Jan 6 2010 03:32pm
Quote (dyl4nd0u @ Jan 6 2010 09:25pm)
hes pointing out the fact that for example some 50 req boots with 30frw couldve been str bugged by statting 48 str and gettin' 2 by a smallcharm...

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perz, u didnt answer my question bout fhr. ur talking bout aiming for 86fhr, but with ur listed eq u dont reach 86fhr, unless u use that fhr belt + 10frw shoes which are obviously just reasonable in a coldstack-setup.
so, how do u get fhr vs physchars (beltslot is taken by soe, i guess)

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#92
Jan 6 2010 03:35pm
Quote (babalu33 @ Jan 6 2010 10:32pm)
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perz, u didnt answer my question bout fhr. ur talking bout aiming for 86fhr, but with ur listed eq u dont reach 86fhr, unless u use that fhr belt + 10frw shoes which are obviously just reasonable in a coldstack-setup.
so, how do u get fhr vs physchars (beltslot is taken by soe, i guess)


we demand an answer, perz !!!!

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Jan 6 2010 04:18pm
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hes pointing out the fact that for example some 50 req boots with 30frw couldve been str bugged by statting 48 str and gettin' 2 by a smallcharm...
so?


yes i know what he's talking about.
so what?

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perz, u didnt answer my question bout fhr. ur talking bout aiming for 86fhr, but with ur listed eq u dont reach 86fhr, unless u use that fhr belt + 10frw shoes which are obviously just reasonable in a coldstack-setup.
so, how do u get fhr vs physchars (beltslot is taken by soe, i guess)


55 spirit, 7 jewel in viper, 24 belt

86 fhr

€: oh when i wrote that guide i had a 7999 in circ, now i have it in viper to switch with 3/30/2 with 2 pskulls vs defwhores.

This post was edited by Perserker[PvP] on Jan 6 2010 04:19pm
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#94
Jan 6 2010 04:24pm
i remade my nec long ago and learned better tactics. this topic is pretty outdated. i won't talk about tactics (figure that out for yourselves) but i can show you what i use atm.

Quote (Perz @ 5 Jan 2010 17:16)
Some PvP videos:
- Perz vs all: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=5KPY7VHK
- Perz vs Steffer: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=DG3UNWV5
- Perz vs Vale: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HVNUK85Y
- Perz vs Maximus: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ILD4RIXC

Stats:
2k-3k bone spear dmg (depends on setup)
2k-3k bone spirit dmg (depends on setup)
1k-1.2k life (depends on setup)
1k-1.5k mana (depends on setup)
75 fcr (always)
86 fhr (always)
180 frw (always)
0-15 dr (depends on setup)

Items:

Helmets:
2 pb 30 frw 20 fcr 7 fhr 9 str 9 dex 55 life 26@ circ (main circ)
3 pb 30 frw 10 life repl 38% mana regen circ

Amus:
3 pb 100 life
3 pb tele charges
2 pb 60 life 85 mana 7@ 4 dmg reduce (main amu)
2 pb 10 fcr 50 life 12@ 49 light res (only need fcr on amu in tg setup)
1 nec 15 fcr 59 life 17 mana x regen

Rings:
2 sojs
perf raven
perf dwarf
10 fcr 20 ar 15 str 5 dex 89 mana 28 cold res
10 fcr 80 ar 8 str 11 dex 86 mana 6@

Weapons:
spirit cs 35/112/8 (main weapon)
white 8/6 (nec setup)
eth insight 17 medi

Shields:
perf homu 9 str 9 dex 3 repl life 13 mana (block setup)
perf homu 6 str 27 cold res -15 req (blizz setup)
3 pb 3 spear 30/20 2 sok "etheth" (nec setup)
3 pb 3 spirit  30/20 2 sok "etheth" (fb setup)

Armor:
viper 35/13 7 fhr 9 str 9 dex 9@

Belts:
10 fcr 24 fhr 57 life 14 mana 14 cold res (main belt)
5 ow 79 life 20 mana 28 cold res (blizz setup)
eth tg

Boots:
sanders (main setup)
hots (fb setup)
inferno (fb setup with dwarf)
30 frw 10 fhr 40 cr 36 lr (blizz/light setup)

Charms:
8 * 30 life pb skillers
22 * 5 frw / 17 mana scs
5 * 5 frw / 11 cr scs


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#95
Jan 6 2010 05:04pm
thx, i see, thought u would use soe vs physdmg chars
this is one of the reasons i prefer stealth over viper, i like switching soe/mavs and still having 86 fhr (another reason would be that our necs on ladder)

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#96
Jan 6 2010 08:47pm
Quote (Perserker[PvP] @ Jan 6 2010 11:18pm)
yes i know what he's talking about.
so what?


let me say so... im defending our build: lemme guess, our build is on ladder, our build is significantly cheaper, our build is partially better for general tvt/allrounding -> its overall more effective.

but ofc, we cant specialize that well on certain enemies, your nec will be superior in many 1v1 situations. but, that never made me worry as i ahve been a tvt player for so long time :-)

ah, and noone noticed the str bug btw. its just a trick that you should attribute/advice poor players to compensate expensive eq like 5frw charms imo. we wont never be able to use them. :-/





other items are quite cheap:
stealth
frosts
raven
soj
mavs
spirit
homu / req / add jool
4x frw skiller, 3x ~30 life skiller
life/mana charms, 1x 2str/mana charm, 2x 5fhr/17mana charms, some 3frw/add charms

stats:
136 frw, 55frw of that bugged, makin' our synch get quite high.
+48% manareg (nn insight^^)
bit of stack, can get 'fernos/coldstack on though
unfortunately only ~2k dmg... the only weakness of our build.
86 fhr ofc.
75 fcr.

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#97
Jan 7 2010 03:22am
Quote (babalu33 @ 7 Jan 2010 01:04)
thx, i see, thought u would use soe vs physdmg chars
this is one of the reasons i prefer stealth over viper, i like switching soe/mavs and still having 86 fhr (another reason would be that our necs on ladder)


i also use strings (forgot to mention it above) but i don't see a need for 86 fhr in string setup. fhr is only needed vs mb assas and fbs imo and there i use the crafted belt.

Quote (dyl4nd0u @ 7 Jan 2010 04:47)
let me say so... im defending our build: lemme guess, our build is on ladder, our build is significantly cheaper, our build is partially better for general tvt/allrounding -> its overall more effective.

but ofc, we cant specialize that well on certain enemies, your nec will be superior in many 1v1 situations. but, that never made me worry as i ahve been a tvt player for so long time :-)

ah, and noone noticed the str bug btw. its just a trick that you should attribute/advice poor players to compensate expensive eq like 5frw charms imo. we wont never be able to use them. :-/

http://pa1n.kilu.de/pix/nec1.jpg

http://pa1n.kilu.de/pix/nec2.jpg

other items are quite cheap:
stealth
frosts
raven
soj
mavs
spirit
homu / req / add jool
4x frw skiller, 3x ~30 life skiller
life/mana charms, 1x 2str/mana charm, 2x 5fhr/17mana charms, some 3frw/add charms

stats:
136 frw, 55frw of that bugged, makin' our synch get quite high.
+48% manareg (nn insight^^)
bit of stack, can get 'fernos/coldstack on though
unfortunately only ~2k dmg... the only weakness of our build.
86 fhr ofc.
75 fcr.


nice nec but i don't see how it gets close to my stats. i have 180 base frw all the time, more life, more mana, same dmg in worst dmg setup (mb), in other setups way more dmg.
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#98
Jan 7 2010 04:16am
Quote (Perserker[PvP] @ Jan 7 2010 10:22am)

nice nec but i don't see how it gets close to my stats. i have 180 base frw all the time, more life, more mana, same dmg in worst dmg setup (mb), in other setups way more dmg.


read closely. never meant my build has better stats, its just more effective, cuz its cheaper. 180frw? how to reach on ladder? just think.

you should count this in, recommending 5frw/add charms excluding poor players. but ESSPECIALLY necs are good for beginners. so you should recommend strbug to compensate missing frw for equivalent synch (maybe even more).
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#99
Jan 7 2010 04:28am
Quote (dyl4nd0u @ Jan 7 2010 11:16am)
read closely. never meant my build has better stats, its just more effective, cuz its cheaper. 180frw? how to reach on ladder? just think.

you should count this in, recommending 5frw/add charms excluding poor players. but ESSPECIALLY necs are good for beginners. so you should recommend strbug to compensate missing frw for equivalent synch (maybe even more).


random 5 frw scs are cheap


p.s you can use 4 manas during duel without risking of dying and dropping them :-)

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#100
Jan 7 2010 07:13am
Quote (Dwerfs @ Jan 7 2010 11:28am)
random 5 frw scs are cheap


p.s you can use 4 manas during duel without risking of dying and dropping them :-)


true lol
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