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Jan 14 2020 03:17pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 14 2020 09:59pm)
wsg i get, its fucking annoying on many builds. but i never got the hate for tele staffs. puts you at zero block and requires all those frames for swaps.


They are mainly scared of tele barbs, which are actually strong as fuck.
Quote (IAmAsylum @ Jan 14 2020 10:12pm)
Yeah, nado needs staff, barb can do just fine without especially when non skill frw is capped.

I really don’t understand the wsg rule vs sins. Especially since a sin is easily sitting at 100 frw + BoS


No Wsg vs MB is definately still controversial on euro 30s
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Mb is bm
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They are mainly scared of tele barbs, which are actually strong as fuck.

No Wsg vs MB is definately still controversial on euro 30s


for sure tele barbs are a Tier 1 build, but on EU afaik frw barbs are just about as good. i think they are allowed infernostrides vs firesorcs and such. so they're buffed beyond the "natural order" of all chars, but nerfed on staff.

it wouldnt bother me if staffs were banned, i just always found the move odd.
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Quote (IAmAsylum @ Jan 14 2020 10:19pm)
Mb is bm


Bin.



Ps we should prob get back on topic re: lvl 18 rules
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Jan 14 2020 03:23pm
I’d love to test any of these rules when people are around

Still not 100% on no mdr other than stealth.

Maybe like a 3 mdr limit would be better? Covers stealth then whatever other armor would fit that slot.
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Jan 14 2020 03:26pm
You should cap out 100 frw regardless of ability. Meaning if they have a skill that adds to frw it should be measured within the cap of 100 frw not add over it.

Also can we get a different map? Soo bored of the same map...

And lol wtf is this cant charge with might or concentration on?

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You should cap out 100 frw regardless of ability. Meaning if they have a skill that adds to frw it should be measured within the cap of 100 frw not add over it.


I think the problem with that is: no one would be able to chase a bowa. They start a screen away and pew pew then keep their distance. Assassins can close the gap and apply pressure

And a lvl 18 charger can 1 hit ko if they are set up properly. Not a very fun dueling atmosphere imo. Cutting aura on charge changes their playstyle and their damage output

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Jan 14 2020 03:41pm
Sorry I disagree with you for the most part in different subjects and to clearly get a solid idea for these rules I'd suggest first we do a few trials for tvt 18s.

Lmk when you wanna test, I'm down to help for sure
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Quote (danzeva @ Jan 14 2020 04:26pm)
You should cap out 100 frw regardless of ability. Meaning if they have a skill that adds to frw it should be measured within the cap of 100 frw not add over it.

Also can we get a different map? Soo bored of the same map...

And lol wtf is this cant charge with might or concentration on?



i thought the same thing... but then you think about it... chargers can be "kinda" they are... super op at lv 18 & can be at lv 30

lv 18 you could use blessed aim/vigor/defiance

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Here is a list of proposed rules for euro lvl 18 tvt.
Some of these changes (from current 1v1 tournament rules) are fairly small, while other changes are larger.
The major changes have been highlighted in red.

Leave questions/comments for discussion. The rationale behind these points can be clarified if needed.


General Rules – lvl 18 TvT
• Duels will take place in the Blood Moor,
• Team captains say go on behalf of their entire team,
• No hacks of any kind or intentional bug abuse (this includes wsg!),
• No dupes, hybrid runewords, or items with slow (i.e. cleglaws gloves),
• No shrines, potions or precasting (going back to stash to buff skills),
• No using charged weapons/wands (with necro skills),
• No more than 75 max res or 25 life replenish (see build specific rules for exceptions),
Magic damage reduction is banned (exceptions: Stealth armor runeword),
Combined PDR + MDR cannot exceed 5,
Maximum 100 faster run/walk speed, excluding skill FRW,
• No excessively defensive play (i.e. teleporting/charging away to life rep)
• Act polite in-game: No rage, flame, spam, jumping or NK,

Class Specific rules:

Amazon
• Max 10 life rep (exception to general life rep rule),
• No C/T-ing or far-casting,
No glitched Treads of Cthon boots,
• Slow missile skill is banned

Paladin
• Holy Freeze, Holy Bolt, Prayer and Cleansing auras may not be used,
• No Might or Concentration auras allowed while charging

Necromancer
• Maximum 5 bonewalls allowed per screen (no enclosing/boxing in yourself),
Bone armor may not be recast in TVTs,
• Iron Maiden, Amplify Damage and Life Tap cures must not be used,
• Clay golem may be used if an opposing team has a zon or a charger

Druid
Max 40 life rep (exception to general life rep rule)
• No recasting Cyclone Armor

Sorceress
Max 35 life rep (exception to general life rep rule)

Assassin, Barbarian
• No further restrictions



Other thoughts comments:

I removed the etheral/rep only items rule. I've always thought this was dumb. Realistically, this is only hurting blade fury sins which aren't exactly OP. I also removed the "no nef runes in weapons other than in a rangers bow" rule, which served to further cripple the flexibility of blade fury sins for no apparent reason.


Wow... someone finally propose something that makes a difference to 18 duels and balancing Bow out

I really like those:
• Clay golem may be used if an opposing team has a zon or a charger
of course ama will need to aim target not blindly shoot and hit
No glitched Treads of Cthon boots,
+100FRW limitation
recalls me one of the last tours where everyone bugged whole FRW on bowas :D
Druid
Max 40 life rep (exception to general life rep rule)
interesting - maybe more druids would join the tour. 40 rep sounds crazy but I like it :D
I hear opposing voices but I would suggest that 40rep is optional and requires aggressive play from the one who has that much of rep (highlight def whoring rule)

I would very much appreciate any handicap for 18 FB as I have one myself but 18lvl FB sorc is just tough (TvT, not that much 1on1).

I guess Measure of your success is ratio Bow:other clases joining the tour :)
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