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Nov 7 2013 01:08pm
Without EoP and is obvious that sorc/pala/bowa are the ones that will compete for 5k fg

they're the strongest chars iin mld, mayb only trap assa can be compete but it was WAY to many bowas at start. but now is fine to join with trapper.

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your point?


its a spread of current classes played in the most popular tour ever hosted in MLD.

This gives a good indication of what classes following the current rule format given are popular and also insight into which classes fall behind in representation.

surely its not rocket science to see the point of this in a thread dedicated to changing rules to better balance the community?
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Nov 7 2013 01:09pm
lmao so much cry about the rules after this tournament with pot were arranged ^^^^^^^
i hate to take examples but harabec has played well in these tours with those rules we're using - this 30 minutes rule you guys inserted is stupid.
you could either jump off dueling the barb if you cry so hard about their play or actually go thru it.
i dont blame you henri for picking barb this tour, but you along with other who's been in the mld scene for a while now should know thats its boring being a barb in a tour even tho u usually playing bowa.

players picks sorcs/bowa cause they are the most versatile characters - they are as close to hld you can come of any of these common characters so its obvious why people picks it.

me, personally, wouldnt join with a barb in a tour if i knew that im not willing to play in that way barbs are meant to be played vs bowa/sorcs, even tho i love(d) to play him in tvt/practice.



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Nov 7 2013 01:16pm
Tournament 1 Winner Ferdia (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=29231582&f=143
Tournament 2 Winner Leevolka (libby) http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=30950574&f=143
Tournament 3 Winner Octogenarian (ESFB) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32130276&f=143
Tournament 4 Winner LicioGlax (Libby) http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=34179136&f=143
Tournament 5 Winner Perserker[PVP] (PNBNecro) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=35479610&f=143
Tournament 6 Winner Snatch (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=36951750&f=143
Tournament 7 Winner Ferdia (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39091618&f=143
Tournament 8 Winner Ferdia (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=41921849&f=143&o=0
Tournament 9 Winner Snatch (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=43545462&f=143
Tournament 10 Winner Harabec (EsLight) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=45926294&f=143&o=0
Tournament 11 Winner Derpate (V/T) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=50347570&f=143
Tournament 12 Winner Ferdia (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51298572&f=143
Tournament 13 Winner Harabec (Barb) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=53082762&f=143
Tournament 14 Winner Ferdia (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55053232&f=143
Tournament 15 Winner Lam3r (ESBlizz) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=57260246&f=143&o=0#p383118772
Tournament 16 Winner Lam3r (ESBlizz) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=58234169&f=143
Tournament 17 Winner Obstgarten (Bowa) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=60318034&f=143&o=0#p402739129
Tournament 18 Winner: Addesmile (Trapper) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=63853553&f=143&o=200
Tournament 19 Winner: Derpate (V/T) http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=68582955&f=143&o=200#p463164478


8 bowas won
2 libby
2 v/t
1 esfb
2 esblizz
1 eslight
1pnb necro
1 trapper
1 barb

so 8 ama, 4 pala, 4 sorc, 1 necro, 1 assa, 1 barb^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨8 amas


ofc Im the only one won with hardest character 2 win a tournament with, fcking because Im the best mld player x realm

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Nov 7 2013 01:48pm
ok this can be closed now since its not about rules anymore but about what class is the strongest...
bye.
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Quote (Sliky @ Nov 7 2013 07:48pm)
ok this can be closed now since its not about rules anymore but about what class is the strongest...
bye.


Yeah you are absolutely right, why would anyone discuss strong and weak characters in a topic to discuss rules designed to find a balance for the bracket.

fucking bore off, really
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Nov 7 2013 02:26pm
The one clear way to nerf bowa's is to reduce their fire res to 80. what this would do is make esfb dominant, as vs bowa is (currently) its hardest match up. I truly believe however that this is not the right decision, as there are in this tournament alone, quite alot of sorc's (11 someone said?), that will do well in the tournament.

There are simply not (m)any good nec players. the rules for nec make only 1 anti-char, blizzard, and I mentioned previously that I will be looking at nec cold res again.
Reducing amazon frw in all matchups from 100 to 90 would i believe go a small way towards ama vs barb matchup (its already close when a strong barb player like harabec is involved). the other option was to ban fury, which i honestly don't feel is appropriate.
keeping gaze banned, and with me pimping out smiters/paladins will potentially naturally reduce amazons from overwhelming tournaments in the KO stage.
Give smiters a better chance vs other classes (read: sorc's) to enable them to win these duels, stay in tournaments longer, and kill the amazon player(s).
We have extensively tried to fix ama vs assa. its extremely difficult. All I can think of is reducing Repl limits even further. I dont see how added frw will help the assassin. Added Repl on the assassin might be a thought.
I'm exploring TG's on sorc's vs VT.
I'm open to suggestions re: fb vs blizz and sorc fire/cold res.
Druids will simply continue to not feature in tournaments as nobody wants to rely on teleport charges and without teleport there is no viable build. Rabies works in TvT but not so much in 1v1. allowing harmony is the only addition I can see thats noteworthy.
Barbs with no teleport...have no teleport, and that makes fire and blizz their anti char's. the only way to manage this is to force onscreen play and aggressive behaviour from the sorc's, i.e. referee'd matches or an honour system.

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The one clear way to nerf bowa's is to reduce their fire res to 80. what this would do is make esfb dominant, as vs bowa is (currently) its hardest match up. I truly believe however that this is not the right decision, as there are in this tournament alone, quite alot of sorc's (11 someone said?), that will do well in the tournament.

There are simply not  (m)any good nec players. the rules for nec make only 1 anti-char, blizzard, and I mentioned previously that I will be looking at nec cold res again.
Reducing amazon frw in all matchups from 100 to 90 would i believe go a small way towards ama vs barb matchup (its already close when a strong barb player like harabec is involved). the other option was to ban fury, which i honestly don't feel is appropriate.
keeping gaze banned, and with me pimping out smiters/paladins will potentially naturally reduce amazons from overwhelming tournaments in the KO stage.
Give smiters a better chance vs other classes (read: sorc's) to enable them to win these duels, stay in tournaments longer, and kill the amazon player(s).
We have extensively tried to fix ama vs assa. its extremely difficult. All I can think of is reducing Repl limits even further. I dont see how added frw will help the assassin. Added Repl on the assassin might be a thought.
I'm exploring TG's on sorc's vs VT.
I'm open to suggestions re: fb vs blizz and sorc fire/cold res.
Druids will simply continue to not feature in tournaments as nobody wants to rely on teleport charges and without teleport there is no viable build. Rabies works in TvT but not so much in 1v1. allowing harmony is the only addition I can see thats noteworthy.
Barbs with no teleport...have no teleport, and that makes fire and blizz their anti char's. the only way to manage this is to force onscreen play and aggressive behaviour from the sorc's, i.e. referee'd matches or an honour system.


for caster druids to be viable they need to cover their horrendous breakpoint and mobility issues.

as a former fissure druid player, with multiple gear sets etc Harmony is quite important to be able to manoeuvre and gain ground, especially when the build can afford 19/30fcr BP at its very best. FHR/fcr is a big problem for druids at 49
If you want to see more tornado druids then you need to allow recasting cyclone armour and 5 wolves as standard. without teleport, they have no pressure anyway and being able to use wolves as shields and the ability to recast cyclone is important to force players to play more offensively vs the druid.
Ive toyed with shockwave powershifting to secure nado stomps and recasting wolves on enemy target's head to blocklock with ravens, but its a clunky way of achieving little gain.
javazon / druids of all spec must sit on 150frw, both specs must be granted 90% fire res. Smiters could toy with the option of holy freeze also.. just some ideas.. i want to see more variety instead of the holy trinity that is bow/sorc/ caster pala
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Nov 7 2013 02:58pm
if teleport is not used I see no issue with recasting cyc armor. its vs amazons that they are fubar ofc.
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if teleport is not used I see no issue with recasting cyc armor. its vs amazons that they are fubar ofc.


yup, as fissure it was a case of staying one screen ahead of them via harmony swapping, and placing fissures in front of them while dodging arrows that hit like nuclear warheads all the while battling for lower map control. joy. satisfying though when they did step on a fissure
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