Quote (danzeva @ Mar 7 2019 08:12am)
Regarding your statement about cleanse being a bad mannered skill I'm not disagreeing however I mentioned three different variations of PVP formats, one is team versus team the other one is one versus one and then I finally mentioned Vindicator/Templar vs. Vindicator/ templar. Cleanse in my opinion within the format Templar vs. Templar is healthy at one point and doesn't obstruct the rules of the lld in this format.
Regarding your question about the learning curve/skill cap of Vindicator/ Templar. In most matches regarding team versus team a Vindicator Templar would have to adjust as a support role meaning he wouldn't be as aggressive or passive, he has to find a balance between the two. That balancing in itself is hard to utilize at a efficient level so sadly v/t is not as viable or a desirable option for most people in team versus team duels (depending on your team composition ofc). But in duels were it's one versus one a Vindicator Templar has many different options where the player has to pilot the class at a certain degree of reaction and counterplay while at the same time applying a good source of damage being that Vindicator Templar already does very little damage he struggles to apply aggro versus most ranged/caster classes. Now v/t vs v/t is entirely different one versus one structure in my opinion. And this particular pvp format the Vindicator Templar has a large pool of abilities and different types of skills he can use to outmaneuver /out play is opponent this is a lot of fun to me and I wanted to promote this particular aspect of low-level duel to the community for people to try out.
Back to that learning curve in these particular duels where the Vindicator Templar is against another Vindicator Templar from the very beginning you have to decide whether to start with a few fist of Heaven or sync/smite them, if skilled enough you could get away with comboing all together. There's alot of different variations of how you want to start the duel in the match , following through the course of a match if you get to mid-game then you have to understand how to properly manage your mana with meditation toggle with the already many skill you have to operate(vigor fanata conv or even cleanse). Amp at 5% ctc is still something that you have to always keep in mind ,it can drastically change the outcome of the duel depending on how you play around it .That's why the cleanse comes in play because the Amplify damage duration versus the cleanse isn't that big of a deal but it still is beneficial to the criteria of counter play in these specific duels. If you want an easy duel with brain dead mechanics , then theres a larger selection to pick from. That doesn't make them harder to pilot then a v/t.
Well it's just like any other class when it comes to gear. Getting the proper gear so your character can properly do what its function is. There is no differennce in this particular topic with v/t , your argument seems to be that there are better options to play for team versus Team or one versus one other then v/t.
There are currently 5* (some more active then others) and hopefully more find v/t vs v/t appealing to form a club.
The rating is the over all generalization of the class. I mean I think you answered this one on your own.
Thanks for the feed back bro
.. as far as the learning curve you haven't posted anything thats not common with any other class lol, i have set up vs each diff chars i come across and a diff play style vs each ... thats dueling in d2
but as far as a learning curve.. all of your skills are ez to hit , smite click n hold *might aswell be vlld vs vlld* FOH * dont even have to click on oppoenent* wheres the skill cap in this?
Its kinda hard to say its a high skill cap char when skills you use are hold n click aswell as auto target w/o name lock
ctc amp cannot be counted on since its not always reliable, and cleanse is BM end of story no more to it idgaf tvt or solo.
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 7 2019 08:16am)
TvT chars are fun to build if you already have a main dueler.
i'm not sure why people think that a V/T is useless, nor that people can/will consistently stack to avoid it, nor that forcing a stack is useless.
people can always say "they'll just load on X# of 15/9s", sure. but what if i'm in 3s with Teds fire trapper and a blizz sorc? are they going to tri-stack 3 elements and lose half their mana from inv? do they even have that many charms in stash? of course not. and if they do, they get gimped hard.
tbh the optimal 4s team has 1-2 support chars, its not all pure offense at that top top tier.
resist gear and or skills that give resist IE Natural Resist Barb, i have tons of resist on all my chars and dont use any resist charms ....
And its not that V/Ts are useless they are just out done by other chars and classes, Sorce,Necro,Zon,Barb,Sin, Druid and any other type of pally have alot more use/ things to bring to a TVT