I'm not gonna play at all this summer hopefully.

Maybe once every week.

You still gonna die noooob

Last time I dueled was against you when you were on west, that pretty much sums up how often I play now, I don't expect to be good lol.

I'll find that one time a week, and I will kill you

Ok, since the original post of the day from me, I have dug up as many of the EU tournaments as I could find. I meant to put these in my profile years ago, they are there now. here they are here as well:

30 Tournaments:
(2007 Ladder : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=8144164&f=143 ) and continued here: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=8456772&f=143&o=0 Winner: Prof.Severin (Blizz)
1st LLD Tournament : Link lost
2nd LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=37234584&f=143 Winner: Maximus_Le_Roi (Blizz)
3rd LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=50126560&f=143 Winner: n-c (FB)
4th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=50764812&f=143&o=30 Full Link Lost
5th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51306631&f=143 Winner: Ferdia (Trapper)
6th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=53142829&f=143 Winner: Not a fucking clue. read the topic. 1-2-3 was something like ESFB, ESBLIZZ, Vita FB
7th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55996081&f=143 Winner: Tw3ety (ESFB)
8th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61198541&f=143 Winner: Flutter (Nec)
9th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=68574020&f=143 Winner: Harabec (Nec)
10th LLD Tournament : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=70883366&f=143 Winner: Twinsen (ESFB)

TextBook LLD Tournament 1 2016: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73316627&f=143&o=0 Winner: (Winrate: Twinsen Fb & Ele Druid with equal 100% win rate) (Highest points scored (via more duels completed): Ferdia (Bowa)

From that we see: Blizz, Blizz, FB, Trapper, Sorc, FB, Nec, Nec, ESFB, FB/Tele/Bowa
Barbarians have never won
Paladins have never won? I believe Moonhammer (Joost) won a tournament with a charger, will see if i can find it.
Trapper won once (me!)
Ama had highest score in latest (me!) but would have lost in a KO phase vs either of twinsen's chars
Druid won once (latest)
Nec won twice (without teleport)
Sorc's dominate LLD like Bowa's dominate MLD

Can east pull up anything like this ? Note that I am using this to show that Assassins are not OP and would immediately suggest we remove shiver armor etc from sorc's.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 10 2016 02:13pm

Shows barbs need tele. As you said won zero.

And do a full tvt just trapper on one team and see how much it skews the win/loss ratio compared to another build.

I know you use a trapper on east how do you not realize how dumb and unskilless that character is... Maybe cause you main a bowa and never had to worry about them.

Maybe once.

Idk. No duelers give me trouble unless they play a sin. Where the duels hardly matter on skill then.

They hop on anything else they get 5-0'd

Plz, I'm not you're typical east player.

I truly, TRULY, do not have any concept of how nec can win a tourney with sorcs in it that are not entirely incompetent. Or bowas. Or barbs for that matter.

Nor can I be bothered to search through 30 pages of shit for each tour to see anything resembling final standings aside from 1st, or how the trappers fared. You wanna say trappers aren't OP, feel free to pull the #s

There is one big thing that we can't ignore in all of this. traditionally EU held tournemants and east had ladders. of course you could pull all duel results from ladders but it would take FOREVER. and people used to only challenge in matches they thought they could win rather than being forced to duel all.

example:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=59345160&f=143&o=0

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 10 2016 02:22pm

Necs never beat sorcs especially ones that are es.

I got cocky and lost a round to bonner on that insanely geared Nec cause I thought I could out tank him and got shot down. Even with the 5-1 win no sorcs should lose to Nec especially if es based.

I feel necs with tele can win against baba more often but it's still a hard duel.

Them bone spirits and ww misses fuck you up

BvN @ lvl 30 is very very balanced in most instances. You only get imbalance when one is using tele and one isnt. If both have tele, its very even from what I've seen. If one has tele and the other doesn't, the duel gets shitty for the one who can't tele just because the other person can defwhore with the telestick. And obv if both are r/w based then its still a very balanced duel, and one of the more fun ones imo, from both sides of the duel.

The only ONLY way I've found to beat sorcs (and it only works well on vita, its real shaky on ES) is to bait them into a stomp when they have a big chain of spirits right behind them. You as the nec are forced to eat a shot, but the spirit bomb will at minimum fhr the sorc if not lock her up for you to finish with spear. Such a shitty tactic relying entirely on luck and the spirits not fizzing out right as they hit (and do zero damage...zzzz). If you're against a not so great blizzer you can actually win relatively easy, but even shitty fwall and fb sorcs are insanely hard on nec.

/e: you CAN tank a nec out if they don't get the first shot(s) in on sorc. but if they have the bomb coming up the tailpipe, or they get the first shot out, you're either going to die or get chunked.





This post was edited by meegz1 on Mar 10 2016 02:35pm