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Oct 2 2023 06:14am
Quote (ferdia @ 2 Oct 2023 13:59)
in what ?

If he was a businessman and only looking short term, he should be all aboard lets give everything to ukraine.
if he was worried about ww3 he would not. i know this is hard for some people to understand but elon musk is smart, he gets it.

its probably not safe for me to say it to you that way, lets try flipping it around. what do you think motivates elon musk.


I will hardly "believe" a public declaration from any billionnaire and certainly not from Elon Musk.
I will trust basic logic regarding his personal interests (Money & Power) and regarding the moves he effectively made (Twitter's gaffes & actions regarding his satellites network) .
Details in my 3 posts above.
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Oct 2 2023 06:27am
Elon's family had F U money since before he was born. He seems to have been an edgelord nerd his whole life (check out a few interviews with him during x.com era). He seems to not have changed much - just his audience became much much larger. Based on what little criticism of him is allowed by the PR team, his companies work despite Musk's influence and not because of his influence. Having said that I guess having an enigmatic eccentric leader attracts certain talent that doesn't mind the attitude and the behavioral patterns of their boss and they do some cutting edge stuff in almost all of his companies, so there is that.

Not that many billionaires are as public in their opinions as him. The only other one that comes to mind is probably McAffee, but he has passed away without eating his dick (that bitcoin price story, kek).

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Elon's family had F U money since before he was born. He seems to have been an edgelord nerd his whole life (check out a few interviews with him during x.com era). He seems to not have changed much - just his audience became much much larger. Based on what little criticism of him is allowed by the PR team, his companies work despite Musk's influence and not because of his influence. Having said that I guess having an enigmatic eccentric leader attracts certain talent that doesn't mind the attitude and the behavioral patterns of their boss and they do some cutting edge stuff in almost all of his companies, so there is that.

Having said that not that many billionaires are as public in their opinions as him. The only other one that comes to mind is probably McAffee, but he has passed away without eating his dick (that bitcoin price story, kek).


Part of it is chaffing at the forces that are trying to make him and his companies do things they want. Starlink is a good example, where I truly believe he was strong armed to give it to Ukraine. Not because the profit loss aspect but I genuinely believe he does not believe in furthering this war and his tools being used for it. Twitter is another example as well where both government and leftists have tried to coerce him to basically give them the keys to censor.

If he truly believes in free speech and fairness and you have people calling you a racist or whatever else because you don’t do exactly what they say you’re going to be annoyed. He’s a successful billionaire, not to the easiest people to manipulate and doing so can poison his perception of these interests.

Him taking more shots

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1708583842905211225?s=46&t=Clvaf6rKkSLkdAtdE744Gg

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Horrible Putin's army at it again:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/2/7422339/

Russian invaders attacked a DTEK [Ukraine's main energy producer – ed.] materials warehouse in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast on Monday.
Source: DTEK press service
Quote: "The enemy attacked DTEK's storage premises in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. Cables, transformers, disconnectors and other equipment were damaged."
Details: The company said that it continues to assess the damage and plan how to cover the need for the destroyed materials.
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Oct 2 2023 11:10am
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Horrible Putin's army at it again:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/2/7422339/

Russian invaders attacked a DTEK [Ukraine's main energy producer – ed.] materials warehouse in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast on Monday.
Source: DTEK press service
Quote: "The enemy attacked DTEK's storage premises in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. Cables, transformers, disconnectors and other equipment were damaged."
Details: The company said that it continues to assess the damage and plan how to cover the need for the destroyed materials.


There are strikes like this on a daily basis, targeting everything from fuel depots to brigade headquarters to repair facilities etc

Why do you never talk about those and only post civilian casualties or damaged critical infrastructure?
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Part of it is chaffing at the forces that are trying to make him and his companies do things they want. Starlink is a good example, where I truly believe he was strong armed to give it to Ukraine. Not because the profit loss aspect but I genuinely believe he does not believe in furthering this war and his tools being used for it. Twitter is another example as well where both government and leftists have tried to coerce him to basically give them the keys to censor.

If he truly believes in free speech and fairness and you have people calling you a racist or whatever else because you don’t do exactly what they say you’re going to be annoyed. He’s a successful billionaire, not to the easiest people to manipulate and doing so can poison his perception of these interests.

Him taking more shots

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1708583842905211225?s=46&t=Clvaf6rKkSLkdAtdE744Gg


He initially gave Starlink access because he wanted the public brownie points, and then made contact with known Russian connected agents and started using very specific language he clearly got from Russia connected sources. Then he cut Starlink explicitly to help Russia avoid an attack, and only turned it back on when the DoD intervened and pushed for a specific use contract so he can't shut it off again.

As for Twitter / X, what was revealed in the Twitter files is that Trump's whitehouse was actively attempting to censor unfavorable stories about his campaign, and the FBI was in active communication requesting take downs as well for other reasons. Both of these received significant pushback. After Musk took it over, he began actively censoring according to the wants of authoritarian governments specifically such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Musk is censoring with far less pushback now compared to the previous Twitter.

I don't see how anybody can look at Musks's behavior and think he believes in free speech at all. He pretty clearly likes public brownie points but lacks any kind of coherent ethical framework to base his decisions on. He's like George Bush. Just kind of a push over and goes with whoever is the last one in the room with him.

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Quote (Djunior @ 2 Oct 2023 19:10)
There are strikes like this on a daily basis, targeting everything from fuel depots to brigade headquarters to repair facilities etc

Why do you never talk about those and only post civilian casualties or damaged critical infrastructure?


He is reminding us daily that Russia is still managing to hit targets in Ukraine despite Ukraine claiming they intercept all Shaheds, Kinzhals, Iskanders that Russians ran out of a year ago.

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He initially gave Starlink access because he wanted the public brownie points, and then made contact with known Russian connected agents and started using very specific language he clearly got from Russia connected sources. Then he cut Starlink explicitly to help Russia avoid an attack, and only turned it back on when the DoD intervened and pushed for a specific use contract so he can't shut it off again.

As for Twitter / X, what was revealed in the Twitter files is that Trump's whitehouse was actively attempting to censor unfavorable stories about his campaign, and the FBI was in active communication requesting take downs as well for other reasons. Both of these received significant pushback. After Musk took it over, he began actively censoring according to the wants of authoritarian governments specifically such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Musk is censoring with far less pushback now compared to the previous Twitter.

I don't see how anybody can look at Musks's behavior and think he believes in free speech at all. He pretty clearly likes public brownie points but lacks any kind of coherent ethical framework to base his decisions on. He's like George Bush. Just kind of a push over and goes with whoever is the last one in the room with him.



>He's in contact with Russians handlers that's why he's giving Ukraine Starlink for free (which is undisputable their main com system and is sophisticated enough to actually not get jammed like most other things)

Such warped logic.

He cut Starlink coverage over areas like Crimea to prevent escalatory actions. If your wild theory was believable why would he maintain coverage all across the front?

He's for free speech, that's obvious, and the real reason why most on the left is so bothered by him is he's public in exposing the left slanted bias in social media. Not only talking but actual evidence.
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Oct 2 2023 11:57am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 2 2023 12:55pm)
>He's in contact with Russians handlers that's why he's giving Ukraine Starlink for free (which is undisputable their main com system and is sophisticated enough to actually not get jammed like most other things)

Such warped logic.

He cut Starlink coverage over areas like Crimea to prevent escalatory actions. If your wild theory was believable why would he maintain coverage all across the front?

He's for free speech, that's obvious, and the real reason why most on the left is so bothered by him is he's public in exposing the left slanted bias in social media. Not only talking but actual evidence.


You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said he gave Starlink to Ukraine for the public brownie points, then made contact with Russian affiliated people, then cut it off to help Russia, then turned it back on after intervention from the DoD.

This is pretty undeniably what happened. We literally have photos of him with the Russian aligned individuals who fed him talking points.

You tend to do this a lot. Just kind of passively absorb an opinion, never check it, then misrepresent anybody who corrects you. You did it when a math teacher told you evolution wasn't science and I corrected you, and you're doing it again. It's honestly the only way you seem to actually take in information. Passively and uncritically.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 2 2023 02:57pm)
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said he gave Starlink to Ukraine for the public brownie points, then made contact with Russian affiliated people, then cut it off to help Russia, then turned it back on after intervention from the DoD.

This is pretty undeniably what happened. We literally have photos of him with the Russian aligned individuals who fed him talking points.

You tend to do this a lot. Just kind of passively absorb an opinion, never check it, then misrepresent anybody who corrects you. You did it when a math teacher told you evolution wasn't science and I corrected you, and you're doing it again. It's honestly the only way you seem to actually take in information. Passively and uncritically.


How are you so aggressively wrong on every topic you post about? It is impressive in a way
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